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@jegga said in Universal income:
@mooshld I would have assumed under normal circumstances her appearance and personality would have amounted to a fairly effective contraceptive.
Turns out a box of codys will overcome all those obstacles. You're probably just lucky you can't smell through the computer. It was always the smell that got me at work. Setting aside those who are homeless, I never got how people could live in a house with a working shower but not utilise it at least once in a while
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@jegga said in Universal income:
@No-Quarter is it an open adoption or is he just fostering them for a while ?
I'm not that familiar with the process but it started off as foster care for a couple of years after which he went for permanent placenent to ensure the kids had some stability in their lives. That also meant he lost the payments from the government for looking after them, so not a lot of incentive to take them on permanently, but it was definitely in the kids best interests.
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@No-Quarter said in Universal income:
@Godder said in Universal income:
Also don't agree with offering sterilisation in those circumstances, but taking the children at birth is fine.
Taking the children at birth would be fine if there was anywhere to put them. A mate at work has just taken on 3 children from a couple of ferals via permanent placement, and it's a messy process at best. The feral parents retain a huge amount of rights, of which he's had to use his lawyer to negotiate to reduce their power over the children's lives. Moving forward he has to deal with these two drop kicks on a fairly regular basis as they have the right to see their children etc. Hardly surprising people are not lining up to take these kids on.
I'm with @aucklandwarlord sterilisation is the best option for people like that.
Also the problem can often be that these kids are toast before they're even born because if fetal alcohol syndrome and the use of drugs like meth by the mother while pregnant.
Some extended family members of ours took a kid in from similar circumstances and from a young age he was just hugely disruptive to their family unit. Violent, antisocial etc. Even having been brought up from birth in a loving adopted family wasn't enough to overcome the hurdles he faced because of his genes and drug abuse while he was in the womb.
As someone else also mentioned, there is just a huge lack of places and foster families to put these kids with if we take them at birth. But you could bet if this woman was offered 5k to have her tubes tied she'd be queing up at the hospital tomorrow.
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@aucklandwarlord that's the sad reality for a lot of these kids. It would be nice of the media could do stories that actually reflect the reality blokes like yourself have witnessed on a regular basis, instead of meaningless bleeding heart stories about how "society" needs to do more to help people.
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@Godder said in Universal income:
For housing for these "charming" individuals, I recommend shipping containers with minimal furniture - if they are particularly destructive, they can have a bolted down steel frame for a bed, a blanket or two and an indestructible toilet and wash basin. If that sounds like a prison cell, that was my inspiration.
It'd never wash. They'll only accept a 4 bedroom house with harbour views and a lawn big enough to put a few broken down cars on bricks on.
I remember last year stuff ran some feel good story about how they got in behind a homeless guy who wanted a "fresh start" and deserved a house, despite being blacklisted by hnz.
I think some community trust got in behind him and they put him in a flat in Hamilton somewhere. Two weeks later they ran a story about how he was adjusting well but the poor guy had to sleep on the floor the first night because his bed was so soft compared to sleeping on the ground. Super heart warming, warm fuzzy stuff right there
A month later they ran a story about how the neighbours were sick of him because he was having parties at all times of the day and night, abusing neighbours, had a few dogs on in the property and people coming and going at all times.
In hindsight, there was probably a valid reason he wasn't allowed a HNZ house.
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@No-Quarter the herald seems to be fixated with bleeding heart stories about ferals . I have no idea why, I doubt their readers enjoy reading about these mobile organ banks.
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@jegga said in Universal income:
@No-Quarter the herald seems to be fixated with bleeding heart stories about ferals . I have no idea why, I doubt their readers enjoy reading about these mobile organ banks.
I think the editors at the Herald read the Fern and are trolling you blokes.
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@aucklandwarlord said in Universal income:
Two weeks later they ran a story about how he was adjusting well but the poor guy had to sleep on the floor the first night because his bed was so soft compared to sleeping on the ground. Super heart warming, warm fuzzy stuff right there
Should have just given him a swag. About $400 for decent canvas and not-too-thick foam mattress. Don't want him to feel uncomfortable.
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Best option surely is to steralize everyone at birth & then you apply to have it reversed later. And the system checks your tax records, run your drug & booze records via your implanted monitors (also put in at birth), check your BMI etc. You get all green your fetility gets turned on & you get an massive enhanced UI for 5 years post kid.
Alternately just put some GM shit in McDonalds meaning you eat there more than twice a week you go sterile.
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Idiocracy. Iceland detecting reduction in the genes for education. IE people capable of learning breeding less.
Re jobs being destroyed by robotics & AI & new ones created, best I've seen re that said that people think this is like when cars replaced horse drawn carts & the jobs driving the the carts went & were replaced with jobs driving trucks & taxis & so on.
Missing the point that this time we are not the cart drivers. We are the horses.
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@gollum said in Universal income:
Best option surely is to steralize everyone at birth & then you apply to have it reversed later. And the system checks your tax records, run your drug & booze records via your implanted monitors (also put in at birth), check your BMI etc. You get all green your fetility gets turned on & you get an massive enhanced UI for 5 years post kid.
Alternately just put some GM shit in McDonalds meaning you eat there more than twice a week you go sterile.
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Idiocracy. Iceland detecting reduction in the genes for education. IE people capable of learning breeding less.
Re jobs being destroyed by robotics & AI & new ones created, best I've seen re that said that people think this is like when cars replaced horse drawn carts & the jobs driving the the carts went & were replaced with jobs driving trucks & taxis & so on.
Missing the point that this time we are not the cart drivers. We are the horses.
Seems alright to me...
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DETROIT (WWJ) – According to a new report, 47 percent of Detroiters are “functionally illiterate.” The alarming new statistics were released by the Detroit Regional Workforce Fund on Wednesday.
WWJ Newsradio 950 spoke with the Fund’s Director, Karen Tyler-Ruiz, who explained exactly what this means.
“Not able to fill out basic forms, for getting a job — those types of basic everyday (things). Reading a prescription; what’s on the bottle, how many you should take… just your basic everyday tasks,” she said.
“I don’t really know how they get by, but they do. Are they getting by well? Well, that’s another question,” Tyler-Ruiz said.
Some of the Detroit suburbs also have high numbers of functionally illiterate: 34 percent in Pontiac and 24 percent in Southfield.
“For other major urban areas, we are a little bit on the high side… We compare, slightly higher, to Washington D.C.’s urban population, in certain ZIP codes in Washington D.C. and in Cleveland,” she said.
I'm not even sure we are horses now....
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Funny this thread popped up. I read an article just the other day about how the Finland Universal Income experiment turned out.
I’ll try and find it and post a link but basically the outcome boiled down to “didn’t make anyone more or less productive but they were all much happier”. -
@Crucial said in Universal income:
Funny this thread popped up. I read an article just the other day about how the Finland Universal Income experiment turned out.
I’ll try and find it and post a link but basically the outcome boiled down to “didn’t make anyone more or less productive but they were all much happier”.I read a bit about that , I’m not 100% sure they actually tested it long enough. The Alaskan model might be more relevant as a test case because it’s been going almost 40 years now .
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@gollum we have a huge problem in NZ (not unique to us or Detroit though) of people who don't have a 'decent' (say basic 5th form or level 1 NCEA reading/writing/math for a general point of comparison) level of literacy or numeracy. Approx 1 million people at or below that level, which is massive given the gaps that means in being able to do everyday stuff, let alone advance in education, career, vocational training etc.
The only big change I've seen in and around this area of work was 5-10 years ago they were saying the really basic jobs were going (due to tech/AI etc), but now they seem to talk more about entry level/middle tier jobs going faster than any other segment. I guess we are also seeing some new areas where jobs are developing alongside the tech changes, rather than it being all replacements.
Will check out that UBI vid. Had totally missed that Alaska has been running a test case for nearly 40 years!
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@Rembrandt said in Universal income:
I honestly don't understand how it can possibly work. If everyone has more money that money is then of less value, simple economics isn't it or am I missing something?
Not if the demand for that money grows as well eg more shops/businesses
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@Paekakboyz said in Universal income:
@gollum we have a huge problem in NZ (not unique to us or Detroit though) of people who don't have a 'decent' (say basic 5th form or level 1 NCEA reading/writing/math for a general point of comparison) level of literacy or numeracy. Approx 1 million people at or below that level, which is massive given the gaps that means in being able to do everyday stuff, let alone advance in education, career, vocational training etc.
The only big change I've seen in and around this area of work was 5-10 years ago they were saying the really basic jobs were going (due to tech/AI etc), but now they seem to talk more about entry level/middle tier jobs going faster than any other segment. I guess we are also seeing some new areas where jobs are developing alongside the tech changes, rather than it being all replacements.
Will check out that UBI vid. Had totally missed that Alaska has been running a test case for nearly 40 years!
Dunno if he still posts mate. That was from 2017
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