Grenfell Tower Fire
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@jegga said in Horrific Fire in London:
@nzzp excellent .
The designer I feel sorry for. Reay... well, not so much. What really rips my nightie is that it appears that Reay came in late to the party and leaned heavily on the Council to approve the build after concerns were raised.
The 80s were a bit wild west at times, with minimal regulation and some 'economic' designs in the pre-crash boom.
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@jegga said in Horrific Fire in London:
$200000 sounds very cheap to install a sprinkler system in a 27 storey building .
I'd say the prick that made the calls about the shortcuts is sorting out a plane ticket to parts unknown if he hasn't done so already.
The irony being, cutting a couple of hundred gorillas from the project probably got him a handsome bonus, which he used for a plane ticket to go on holiday
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@jegga said in Horrific Fire in London:
$200000 sounds very cheap to install a sprinkler system in a 27 storey building .
I'd say the prick that made the calls about the shortcuts is sorting out a plane ticket to parts unknown if he hasn't done so already. Unless this goes the way of the CTV building and there's lots of talk and reports and no one behind bars 6 years on.
That was the number but pounds not dollars. I guess it was additional cost as they were doing a lot of work anyway.
It would probably be a pretty basic setup and, in this case, probably not have halted the spread on the outside but who knows how many lives would have been saved. -
@Tim said in Horrific Fire in London:
According to the Times, the cladding used on that London tower block is illegal for tall buildings (> 40ft) in the US. Also, using the fire resistant version of the cladding would've only cost ~ £5,000 more for that building.
Yeah, 2 quid per tile difference - 22 vs 24 apparently. Mind-boggling stuff, and apparently there are hundreds or thousands more buildings around the UK with similar issues.
Edit: and the stuff is banned in Australia for tall buildings as well.
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@dogmeat Only banned recently.
Nick Smith, Building and Construction Minister, said on Thursday that flammable aluminium cladding had only been banned from multi-storey buildings in New Zealand earlier this year, following high-rise fires in Dubai and Melbourne.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11878927
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Great recount from one of the firefighters at Grenfell.
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@Virgil said in Horrific Fire in London:
Great recount from one of the firefighters at Grenfell.
I have so much respect for firefighters, especially volunteer ones. The things they would have seen in their time, pure hell. Our local brigade is first response for incidents on the Kaimai Ranges, and every time the siren goes off in shitty weather we all know it will be to save some fuckwit who couldn't be bothered slowing down. Also apart from fires, they are back up to the ambulance service too, so often get called to things like heart attacks.
Firefighters are amazing men and women.
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@Mokey said in Horrific Fire in London:
@Virgil said in Horrific Fire in London:
Great recount from one of the firefighters at Grenfell.
I have so much respect for firefighters, especially volunteer ones. The things they would have seen in their time, pure hell. Our local brigade is first response for incidents on the Kaimai Ranges, and every time the siren goes off in shitty weather we all know it will be to save some fuckwit who couldn't be bothered slowing down. Also apart from fires, they are back up to the ambulance service too, so often get called to things like heart attacks.
Firefighters are amazing men and women.
Only people to run into a fire when everyone else is running out.
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The fact that firefighters made it to the top of the building, while it was on fire, is just unreal - 24 storeys in full breathing gear and rescue equipment. Kudos also to the police for using riot shields to shield the firefighters from falling debris as they were entering and leaving the building (simple, but awesome), and to the Sallies, who apparently run a mobile food unit in London, and attend any large fires with free food and drink for the emergency services.
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@Godder said in Horrific Fire in London:
The fact that firefighters made it to the top of the building, while it was on fire, is just unreal - 24 storeys in full breathing gear and rescue equipment. Kudos also to the police for using riot shields to shield the firefighters from falling debris as they were entering and leaving the building (simple, but awesome), and to the Sallies, who apparently run a mobile food unit in London, and attend any large fires with free food and drink for the emergency services.
The Sallies must be the only religious based charity that I have no qualms donating to. They have always just got on with doing good work quietly and never look to feather their own nests.
