Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks
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Maybe Lima thinks Mounga is about to pass him or has already and I don't think there is any indication he will move ahead of BB so decided the time is right to cash in on his market value instead of hoping for an injury to BB
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@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
Maybe Lima thinks Mounga is about to pass him or has already and I don't think there is any indication he will move ahead of BB so decided the time is right to cash in on his market value instead of hoping for an injury to BB
No doubt, and I think that is he point @MajorRage is making. Some players aspire to make the All Blacks to be great All Blacks, others aspire to make the All Blacks to increase their market value. There's both, and understandably so, but the players just wanting to increase their market value can be a waste of time and effort trying to develop them if they plan on buggering off early.
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@no-quarter I'm not sure he has played solely to drive his value. I expect if circumstances were different and he had nailed the number 10 spot he would have likely stayed on longer.
Some are content being an ab and living in nz, others want a different challenge and depending on family circumstances Europe with higher pay and less strenuous travel requirements would be mighty appealing.
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@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@no-quarter I'm not sure he has played solely to drive his value. I expect if circumstances were different and he had nailed the number 10 spot he would have likely stayed on longer.
Some are content being an ab and living in nz, others want a different challenge and depending on family circumstances Europe with higher pay and less strenuous travel requirements would be mighty appealing.
You got in first T! I'm sure most players still aspire to having a great AB career, since the days they ran around the yard in bare feet. But there is only room for 15, 26 if you count the squad and there is the constant threat of being supplanted by a young turk for those on the fringes. In the amateur era there was no plan B, now you can be lucky enough to play a few games for the ABs filling in for injury or absence and spin that into a 7 figure a year contract up North. Hard to compete with that. The timing is shitty for the ABs though
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@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@no-quarter I'm not sure he has played solely to drive his value. I expect if circumstances were different and he had nailed the number 10 spot he would have likely stayed on longer.
Some are content being an ab and living in nz, others want a different challenge and depending on family circumstances Europe with higher pay and less strenuous travel requirements would be mighty appealing.
I 100% agree with this.
But I hold them to an unwritten 'don't jump ship 12 moths out if you've absorbed resources and games' rule.
I have no issue with cashing in, or even using the ABs to increase your value. As long as that is not timed detrimentally.
I can see that Lima thinks Ritchie may be on verge of surpassing him and he can see selectors want to develop DMac as the bench specialist. But we all know plans get scuttled.
He can go in 24 months time with no repercussions or ill will. He can go in 12 months time letting down a lot of people .
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@rapido Hes given the ABs nearly 12 months notice before he is departing. Its almost two years til the World Cup.
Perhaps the ABs should have picked a specialist 3rd 10 in the Rugby Championship/EOYT 2017 - they would then be in a better position. That isnt Lima's fault.
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@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@no-quarter I'm not sure he has played solely to drive his value. I expect if circumstances were different and he had nailed the number 10 spot he would have likely stayed on longer.
Some are content being an ab and living in nz, others want a different challenge and depending on family circumstances Europe with higher pay and less strenuous travel requirements would be mighty appealing.
Yup, I don't begrudge them for leaving. Big money involved. I can also understand the frustration at them leaving though.
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@no-quarter yep, woulda been nice for him to stay on, but with potentially >twice as much money on offer...
non-competition clauses?
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@mn5 when the Tree was playing was about when you at least watched rugby too!
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@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@mn5 when the Tree was playing was about when you at least watched rugby too!
I'm younger, slimmer, taller and less grey than you. Please take your lame trolling efforts elsewhere.
The tree retired six years before I was born.
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@mn5 fuck yeah
Has fame/entertainment/self entitlement got to the point that people can't recognise the difference between their own lives and someone elses?
@MajorRage your original post was immediately recognisable as a "I've got something to say" at the end of a few drinks high - I been there
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@mn5 sorry king of the comebacks...forgot you are such a verile young athletic young stallion
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@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@mn5 sorry king of the comebacks...forgot you are such a verile young athletic young stallion
You mentioned young twice. Have you been drinking while watching the cricket?
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@mn5 what kind of lightweight could get drunk watching the cricket? (BTW only saw Pakistani score, no idea if they batted first)
Posting on a phone does that.
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@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@mn5 what kind of lightweight could get drunk watching the cricket? (BTW only saw Pakistani score, no idea if they batted first)
Posting on a phone does that.
It would have taken some extra strong brews to get hammered watching Pakistan bat.
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Ditto most of the above.
Shitty for the ABs that he’s going, but let’s be realistic it’s unlikely that he’d ever get the 10 shirt ahead of BB, and depending on how the super 5 plays out, he may not even get a bench spot any more.
There is always someone else who will step up, so thanks for your service Lima, make hay while the sun shines.
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@rapido said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@no-quarter I'm not sure he has played solely to drive his value. I expect if circumstances were different and he had nailed the number 10 spot he would have likely stayed on longer.
Some are content being an ab and living in nz, others want a different challenge and depending on family circumstances Europe with higher pay and less strenuous travel requirements would be mighty appealing.
I 100% agree with this.
But I hold them to an unwritten 'don't jump ship 12 moths out if you've absorbed resources and games' rule.
I have no issue with cashing in, or even using the ABs to increase your value. As long as that is not timed detrimentally.
I can see that Lima thinks Ritchie may be on verge of surpassing him and he can see selectors want to develop DMac as the bench specialist. But we all know plans get scuttled.
He can go in 24 months time with no repercussions or ill will. He can go in 12 months time letting down a lot of people .
Who is he letting down? He's done some good stuff in an AB jersey and if he wants to fuck off how is this any different to the hundreds who've done so before?
