Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks
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@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@no-quarter I'm not sure he has played solely to drive his value. I expect if circumstances were different and he had nailed the number 10 spot he would have likely stayed on longer.
Some are content being an ab and living in nz, others want a different challenge and depending on family circumstances Europe with higher pay and less strenuous travel requirements would be mighty appealing.
You got in first T! I'm sure most players still aspire to having a great AB career, since the days they ran around the yard in bare feet. But there is only room for 15, 26 if you count the squad and there is the constant threat of being supplanted by a young turk for those on the fringes. In the amateur era there was no plan B, now you can be lucky enough to play a few games for the ABs filling in for injury or absence and spin that into a 7 figure a year contract up North. Hard to compete with that. The timing is shitty for the ABs though
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@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@no-quarter I'm not sure he has played solely to drive his value. I expect if circumstances were different and he had nailed the number 10 spot he would have likely stayed on longer.
Some are content being an ab and living in nz, others want a different challenge and depending on family circumstances Europe with higher pay and less strenuous travel requirements would be mighty appealing.
I 100% agree with this.
But I hold them to an unwritten 'don't jump ship 12 moths out if you've absorbed resources and games' rule.
I have no issue with cashing in, or even using the ABs to increase your value. As long as that is not timed detrimentally.
I can see that Lima thinks Ritchie may be on verge of surpassing him and he can see selectors want to develop DMac as the bench specialist. But we all know plans get scuttled.
He can go in 24 months time with no repercussions or ill will. He can go in 12 months time letting down a lot of people .
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@rapido Hes given the ABs nearly 12 months notice before he is departing. Its almost two years til the World Cup.
Perhaps the ABs should have picked a specialist 3rd 10 in the Rugby Championship/EOYT 2017 - they would then be in a better position. That isnt Lima's fault.
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@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@no-quarter I'm not sure he has played solely to drive his value. I expect if circumstances were different and he had nailed the number 10 spot he would have likely stayed on longer.
Some are content being an ab and living in nz, others want a different challenge and depending on family circumstances Europe with higher pay and less strenuous travel requirements would be mighty appealing.
Yup, I don't begrudge them for leaving. Big money involved. I can also understand the frustration at them leaving though.
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@no-quarter yep, woulda been nice for him to stay on, but with potentially >twice as much money on offer...
non-competition clauses?
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@mn5 when the Tree was playing was about when you at least watched rugby too!
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@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@mn5 when the Tree was playing was about when you at least watched rugby too!
I'm younger, slimmer, taller and less grey than you. Please take your lame trolling efforts elsewhere.
The tree retired six years before I was born.
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@mn5 fuck yeah
Has fame/entertainment/self entitlement got to the point that people can't recognise the difference between their own lives and someone elses?
@MajorRage your original post was immediately recognisable as a "I've got something to say" at the end of a few drinks high - I been there
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@mn5 sorry king of the comebacks...forgot you are such a verile young athletic young stallion
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@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@mn5 sorry king of the comebacks...forgot you are such a verile young athletic young stallion
You mentioned young twice. Have you been drinking while watching the cricket?
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@mn5 what kind of lightweight could get drunk watching the cricket? (BTW only saw Pakistani score, no idea if they batted first)
Posting on a phone does that.
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@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@mn5 what kind of lightweight could get drunk watching the cricket? (BTW only saw Pakistani score, no idea if they batted first)
Posting on a phone does that.
It would have taken some extra strong brews to get hammered watching Pakistan bat.
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Ditto most of the above.
Shitty for the ABs that he’s going, but let’s be realistic it’s unlikely that he’d ever get the 10 shirt ahead of BB, and depending on how the super 5 plays out, he may not even get a bench spot any more.
There is always someone else who will step up, so thanks for your service Lima, make hay while the sun shines.
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@rapido said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@no-quarter I'm not sure he has played solely to drive his value. I expect if circumstances were different and he had nailed the number 10 spot he would have likely stayed on longer.
Some are content being an ab and living in nz, others want a different challenge and depending on family circumstances Europe with higher pay and less strenuous travel requirements would be mighty appealing.
I 100% agree with this.
But I hold them to an unwritten 'don't jump ship 12 moths out if you've absorbed resources and games' rule.
I have no issue with cashing in, or even using the ABs to increase your value. As long as that is not timed detrimentally.
I can see that Lima thinks Ritchie may be on verge of surpassing him and he can see selectors want to develop DMac as the bench specialist. But we all know plans get scuttled.
He can go in 24 months time with no repercussions or ill will. He can go in 12 months time letting down a lot of people .
Who is he letting down? He's done some good stuff in an AB jersey and if he wants to fuck off how is this any different to the hundreds who've done so before?
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@mn5 said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@mn5 what kind of lightweight could get drunk watching the cricket? (BTW only saw Pakistani score, no idea if they batted first)
Posting on a phone does that.
It would have taken some extra strong brews to get hammered watching Pakistan bat.
Unless you had to scull/skoll/skull (how to you spell that?) finish your pint with each wicket.
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@mn5 said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@rapido said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@no-quarter I'm not sure he has played solely to drive his value. I expect if circumstances were different and he had nailed the number 10 spot he would have likely stayed on longer.
Some are content being an ab and living in nz, others want a different challenge and depending on family circumstances Europe with higher pay and less strenuous travel requirements would be mighty appealing.
I 100% agree with this.
But I hold them to an unwritten 'don't jump ship 12 moths out if you've absorbed resources and games' rule.
I have no issue with cashing in, or even using the ABs to increase your value. As long as that is not timed detrimentally.
I can see that Lima thinks Ritchie may be on verge of surpassing him and he can see selectors want to develop DMac as the bench specialist. But we all know plans get scuttled.
He can go in 24 months time with no repercussions or ill will. He can go in 12 months time letting down a lot of people .
Who is he letting down? He's done some good stuff in an AB jersey and if he wants to fuck off how is this any different to the hundreds who've done so before?
Hundreds?
I can't think of any, but there probably is one he two, who have left a year before a World Cup. I've compared it earlier to Timu who is the only other I can think of.
But someone else has pointed out he is giving a years warning that he ha bailing a year before world cup, and that that is a fair point.
Ive said earlier in thread how I actually think Piutau was harshly treated in 2015. So that should give an idea how 'I' think it is different. But I could see how Piutau's treatment by AB selectors could make a Sops think bugger it, there is no good time.
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So who will finish his career happier: Lima Sopoaga or Stephen Donald?
If you play for the money, you may end up richer, but unlikely happier. It's not like Lima is badly paid at present.
Piutau is loaded, but misses playing for his country. He should have thought about that when he decided to play for the ABs in the first place, so I have zero sympathy.
I'd put money on Lima regretting his choice eventually.
