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I think the suggestion revolves around matching abundant resources to high demand. They have a high demand for individuals highly trained with weapons who have been conditioned into a state where they are willing to give up their lives for others.
They have an overabundance of ex military who just so happen to be highly trained and conditioned to be courageous (in theory)However like all ideas in this debate it has a flaw..... these vets are usually traumatized and it might be a mater of time before an unhinged one becomes the wolf in the henhouse.
I find the whole gun debate in america (and around the world) just one HUGE exercise in vacuous hand wringing.
All the solutions proposed are bullshit and completely and utterly ineffective.
The only solution that will work is if all the guns disappear. But all the adults in the room know that is NEVER going to happen. Shit the VAST majority of Americans dont want that to happen.
Bump Stocks bans , AR15 bans, Muzzle thingimajigs bans etc etc. All stupid fluff around the edges.This shooting would not have happened if the govt had handled this young guy properly. But so what? They stop this one.. there will be another.
This problem has so many facets it gives me a headache. But I can spot virtue signalling and hand wringing from a 1000 paces. Trump, Rubio, Pelosi and all the politicians form all spectrums are in a break neck race to show how much they care, bloody nauseating. Shit Trump has such a muddled position on this I genuinely have no fucking clue where he stands on it.
P.S CNN are low life bottom feeding scumbags who need to burn in media hell. What a bunch of fluffybunnies. Seriously.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
Saw an interview with one of the kids who was asked to ask a question. And they completely changed his question and demand he follow the script. He refused and didnt attend.
Would love to see it.
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@nta said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
Saw an interview with one of the kids who was asked to ask a question. And they completely changed his question and demand he follow the script. He refused and didnt attend.
Would love to see it.
Here ya go
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In the US (for 2013 - 2014) there are 98,271 public schools, 33,619 private schools, and 7,236 post-secondary institutions.
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@baron-silas-greenback shame he didn't get to actually read out his original question during the interview.
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@taniwharugby said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
@rembrandt people will either step into the breach or wait for someone else, cant just expect someone to stand up just cos they have been given training and a gun.
Self preservation is a strong part of our DNA
True that. I guess you'll never know what kind of person you are until you're in that situation. There is also that weird thing where strangers sacrifice themselves for kids, I don't really understand the evolutionary benefit to it. I mean if they are your own kids then I get it, you have genes to protect. I'd still like to think I'd be that kind of person though, whether or not I would be I hope I never have to find out.
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@nta said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
@baron-silas-greenback shame he didn't get to actually read out his original question during the interview.
Would have been even better if he attended the event and did his question anyway. At this point though these kids are just political pawns for both sides.
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@rembrandt said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
@nta said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
@baron-silas-greenback shame he didn't get to actually read out his original question during the interview.
Would have been even better if he attended the event and did his question anyway. At this point though these kids are just political pawns for both sides.
They wouldn't have taken him near a microphone if it was that heavily organised. Some of the behaviour from the crowd was pretty bad - though these are "emotional teenagers" in a lot of cases.
I'd just be interested to hear his original question to see if anyone else addressed it.
The kid asking Rubio if he would take any more NRA money was on point.
I see a few companies are severing their public ties with the NRA while we're at it.
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@nta said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
@rembrandt said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
@nta said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
@baron-silas-greenback shame he didn't get to actually read out his original question during the interview.
Would have been even better if he attended the event and did his question anyway. At this point though these kids are just political pawns for both sides.
They wouldn't have taken him near a microphone if it was that heavily organised. Some of the behaviour from the crowd was pretty bad - though these are "emotional teenagers" in a lot of cases.
I'd just be interested to hear his original question to see if anyone else addressed it.
The kid asking Rubio if he would take any more NRA money was on point.
I see a few companies are severing their public ties with the NRA while we're at it.
Trouble is, there is now a movement to boycott those who are boycotting the NRA.
This whole debate is absurd. On the one side you have people freaking out that the gummint might take away their right to have a deadly weapon, while on the other side you have people that seem to think that a stroke of a pen will actually stop these kinds of school massacres.
The actions or rather lack of action on the part of deputy sheriff who was on the scene is absolute gold for those arguing you can't trust the authorities.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
The actions or rather lack of action on the part of deputy sheriff who was on the scene is absolute gold for those arguing you can't trust the authorities.
Absolute gold for the people saying a good guy with a gun can't stop a bad guy with a gun, too.
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@nta said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
The actions or rather lack of action on the part of deputy sheriff who was on the scene is absolute gold for those arguing you can't trust the authorities.
Absolute gold for the people saying a good guy with a gun can't stop a bad guy with a gun, too.
No not at all, because he didn't actually do his job. You know "serve and protect" and all that.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
@nta said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
The actions or rather lack of action on the part of deputy sheriff who was on the scene is absolute gold for those arguing you can't trust the authorities.
Absolute gold for the people saying a good guy with a gun can't stop a bad guy with a gun, too.
No not at all, because he didn't actually do his job. You know "serve and protect" and all that.
Despite whatever training he had this guy didn't go in and take out the shooter. Perhaps he didn't know how many bad guys there were and decided to wait for backup? Training or not, I don't think it's necessarily cowardice not to want to embark on what could have been considered a suicide mission against a better armed opponent of unknown number and strength surprise as his advantage. It tells me that unlike what the pro gun people will tell you it isn't as simple as bursting in a taking out the bad guy Die Hard style. These were real bullets and real people dying. So what will the response be when one day a teacher pulls a gun on a perp and shoots a bunch of innocents caught in the crossfire while engaging a school shooter?
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I find the reaction to this bloke who didn't get all Charles Upham on the nutjob quite abhorrent.
Let's say for example there was a full SWAT team there. They would not have rushed in recklessly like people seem to think this poor sod should have.
I'm not trained in use of tactical weapons, any sort of weapon really (you'd have to be an incredibly unlucky rabbit/possum ...), nor in how to combat a shooting like this. But I'd be prepared to bet they'd enter in groups, covering each other at multiple angles, slowly and deliberately.
Dude's job was to be a deterrent not to be a posthumous hero. He's got a family to go home to too, and a right to continue living his life.
Giving guns to teachers is the most bizarre suggestion I've ever heard. I'm quite lost for words to describe my feelings about that. It's the admission that anarchy reigns and your community has reached "post civilisation".
Yes the horse has bolted. And yes the exact shade of grey between the black and white of gun control is yet to be determined and probably pretty fluid. And there are illegal guns in circulation. But some simple controls around who gets to purchase legal weaponry surely cannot be a bad thing.
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@booboo said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
I find the reaction to this bloke who didn't get all Charles Upham on the nutjob quite abhorrent.
Let's say for example there was a full SWAT team there. They would not have rushed in recklessly like people seem to think this poor sod should have.
I'm not trained in use of tactical weapons, any sort of weapon really (you'd have to be an incredibly unlucky rabbit/possum ...), nor in how to combat a shooting like this. But I'd be prepared to bet they'd enter in groups, covering each other at multiple angles, slowly and deliberately.
Dude's job was to be a deterrent not to be a posthumous hero. He's got a family to go home to too, and a right to continue living his life.
Giving guns to teachers is the most bizarre suggestion I've ever heard. I'm quite lost for words to describe my feelings about that. It's the admission that anarchy reigns and your community has reached "post civilisation".
Yes the horse has bolted. And yes the exact shade of grey between the black and white of gun control is yet to be determined and probably pretty fluid. And there are illegal guns in circulation. But some simple controls around who gets to purchase legal weaponry surely cannot be a bad thing.
It's not just the fact there are so many guns in the US. Everyone should accept that the genie is out of the bottle in that regard. However as you say it shouldn't stop the authorities from increasing controls on buying more. What is as bad or worse is the attitude of many Americans to guns that they could think arming teachers was a viable solution to the problem. The need for big proportions of the population (not just criminals) to have a gun for self defence is fundamentally part of the problem
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CNN released emails from a network producer on Friday that contradict a Florida high school student's claim that the network scripted a question that he was supposed to ask at a televised town hall event this week.
Colton Haab, a survivor of last week's mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., said Thursday on Fox News that CNN had initially asked him to "write a speech and ask questions" for the event but that a producer ultimately scripted a question for him. CNN has denied that claim.
According to Business Insider, CNN and Haab agreed on the question that he would ask at the town hall. His father, Glenn Haab, pulled his son out of the event after the network refused to let the student read a lengthy speech.
The Haabs also appeared to provide doctored emails to media outlets to back up the claim that CNN scripted the questions, Business Insider reported. CNN's version of the email showed that the producer wrote she wanted the student to stick to a question "that he submitted," but that phrase was omitted in the version released by the family.
"It is unfortunate that an effort to discredit CNN and the town hall with doctored emails has taken any attention away from the purpose of the event," a CNN spokesman said, according to Business Insider.
"However, when presented with doctored email exchanges, we felt the need to set the record straight."
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
@nta said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?:
The actions or rather lack of action on the part of deputy sheriff who was on the scene is absolute gold for those arguing you can't trust the authorities.
Absolute gold for the people saying a good guy with a gun can't stop a bad guy with a gun, too.
No not at all, because he didn't actually do his job. You know "serve and protect" and all that.
Should have phrased that better: "CAN'T".
He was a good guy with a gun and he didn't stop anything. So that erodes the argument around more guns being better.
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