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@majorrage It's an additional 10 month sentence added to the suspended 3 month sentence. From what I understand he followed the rules provided to him following the previous conviction (not filming on court property, not filming in the court, only providing publicly available information). I accept that maybe this doesn't exonerate him but will be very curious to see what his legal team says. There is also the element of him not being given access to his own lawyer.
The impression of preferential treatment is for those that follow islam who seem to have added protections and are held to a lesser standard than non-islamic brits at the expense of safety for all British people.This is evidenced by the acceptance of returning jihadis, authorities historical and continual covering up of the child-rape gangs, zero prosecutions for FGM, the allowance of hate-preachers and prosecutions for hate-speech towards Islam. If you like I can provide sourcing for all of this if any of it doesn't ring true.
Of all that I've listed I'd grant you that it is indeed possible that I have just been exposed to extreme examples of the prosecutions for hate speech toward islam and that could be painting a false narrative. This is a very difficult area to prove because generally specific details aren't available ie "Man arrested for offensive tweet" but we don't know what he said. There is a big difference between a credible threat of violence and someone sending a mean meme about Mohammed. There is however a very real misrepresentation of anyone calling out problems in islam as being racist/nazi/far-right/extremist in order to shutdown conversations that really need to be had.
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@Rembrandt you made me curious, where did you get the 90% figure for white UK? And weren't those photos from London anyway?
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@bones said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt you made me curious, where did you get the 90% figure for white UK? And weren't those photos from London anyway?
That figure was on my UK residency “exam” too. It’s was only 70% in London.
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Speaking of preferential treatment
Anybody spot anything wrong with this? Hint..the policewomen is NOT a muslim.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
Speaking of preferential treatment
Anybody spot anything wrong with this? Hint..the policewomen is NOT a muslim.
I think those fullas in Britain are being taken for a ride.
There's being accomodating and fair hosts and then there's taking one up the arse.
That picture is one of those
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As for the Robinson protests, I think it is more designed to make it a hassle for left wing activists in govt to attack people protesting against Islam and for free speech.
Govts take the path of least resistance, and for quite awhile that has been bending the knee to far left activists and Neo Marxists. The fear of being called a racist was high, so they turned the other way.. proof.. the rape gangs. The govt and its proxies were scared of the left wing mob, so they avoided it.
If you get thousands in the street protesting against the hate speech laws and selective justice... next time it is govt nature to avoid a repeat. -
@siam said in British Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
Speaking of preferential treatment
Anybody spot anything wrong with this? Hint..the policewomen is NOT a muslim.
I think those fullas in Britain are being taken for a ride.
There's being accomodating and fair hosts and then there's taking one up the arse.
That picture is one of those
This is NZ.And I think the NZ police should never change the uniform because of the people they are visiting ask for it. Whats next I demand she wear a big bird costume?
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@baron-silas-greenback
Oh god, that's me "chopped" (80's teen vernacular)I'm embarrassed. Fuck.
The fundamental law and order institution in the country plays dress up, why again?
Probably to show support for Women by wearing the most anti-women's rights symbol there is.
Apologies people of Britain, as you were.
I knew there's a reason I should stay out of these threadsI'm off to bask in the tyranny of a Military Dictatorship - far less stressful than these modern democracies!
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@bones said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt you made me curious, where did you get the 90% figure for white UK? And weren't those photos from London anyway?
To be fair that was just a cursory google search, I see 2011 census data has it at 87.1%, so nearly 90% would be more accurate. You could argue for bumping it higher for Gypsy/Traveller who most likely look white which is another 1%. If you are just looking superficially at a racial breakdown of a crowd of people without talking with them you might even identify some mixed race folk as white also.
Photos are from London but the issues have broken out mostly outside of London (well the scandals that have broken anyway) hence people arriving in from around the country in order to protest . Living in London when these scandals broke I didn't really hear much at all, there were some articles in tabloids but certainly the prevailing attitude amongst my social and work group was that these tabloids were racist liars. London is a bubble. As I said though this is all irrelevant, the apparent skin tone of a crowd does not add or remove validity for what they are protesting about.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@crucial said in British Politics:
Sorry @Rembrandt, I understand you are passionate about the underlying message but this is plain dumb and totally twists reality.
TR broke the law and admitted it. His actions almost derailed the very convictions he is arguing for so extra stupid on his part.
The authorities are currently doing everything they can to get justice for those girls, including strict enforcement of court reporting so as not to ruin the prosecution.
I don't deny that originally there were system failings and that needs dealing with to stop it happening again. That is well understood by the police.
There was no need for TR to doing what he did except for promoting his own underlying agenda of being anti-islam. This 'protest' smacks of being a group of football hooligans that believe that being British means fitting some image they hold of themselves and without grasp of reality.
How much diversity is in that crowd? Not much.And you know that how?
The amount of reports/scorn/changes/arrests and investigations since the Telford case.
Police are fully in support of law changes to help them combat the problem because basically they have problems bringing charges and making prosecutions under current law. These scum operate cleverly. To make out like they simply grab and rape and are therefore subject to laws designed to combat that is misleading. These gangs operate with degrees of separation and in many cases by the time they get hold of their victims there is consent. The law doesn't cover coerced consent.
The now Home Secretary is also fully behind pushing for changes to address this.If the protests and uproar were simply to push the govt to move quicker on the fixes then fair enough. Instead they play the tune that there is a system complicit in protecting 'non-British' to the detriment of British. There may have been elements of that (avoiding racial profiling) compounding a poor systemic approach a number of years ago but that is now well understood and reported on.
I just don't agree with this opinion that it is only the efforts of TR and supporters that is addressing this issue. I believe TR is simply using this issue to push his xenophobic agenda and his efforts place at risk the very prosecutions he is trying to achieve. He wants to highlight the race/religion side over the behaviour side when the solution in a just society is to have laws based on actions and not motives.
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@crucial said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@crucial said in British Politics:
Sorry @Rembrandt, I understand you are passionate about the underlying message but this is plain dumb and totally twists reality.
TR broke the law and admitted it. His actions almost derailed the very convictions he is arguing for so extra stupid on his part.
The authorities are currently doing everything they can to get justice for those girls, including strict enforcement of court reporting so as not to ruin the prosecution.
I don't deny that originally there were system failings and that needs dealing with to stop it happening again. That is well understood by the police.
There was no need for TR to doing what he did except for promoting his own underlying agenda of being anti-islam. This 'protest' smacks of being a group of football hooligans that believe that being British means fitting some image they hold of themselves and without grasp of reality.
How much diversity is in that crowd? Not much.And you know that how?
The amount of reports/scorn/changes/arrests and investigations since the Telford case.
Police are fully in support of law changes to help them combat the problem because basically they have problems bringing charges and making prosecutions under current law. These scum operate cleverly. To make out like they simply grab and rape and are therefore subject to laws designed to combat that is misleading. These gangs operate with degrees of separation and in many cases by the time they get hold of their victims there is consent. The law doesn't cover coerced consent.
The now Home Secretary is also fully behind pushing for changes to address this.If the protests and uproar were simply to push the govt to move quicker on the fixes then fair enough. Instead they play the tune that there is a system complicit in protecting 'non-British' to the detriment of British. There may have been elements of that (avoiding racial profiling) compounding a poor systemic approach a number of years ago but that is now well understood and reported on.
I just don't agree with this opinion that it is only the efforts of TR and supporters that is addressing this issue. I believe TR is simply using this issue to push his xenophobic agenda and his efforts place at risk the very prosecutions he is trying to achieve. He wants to highlight the race/religion side over the behaviour side when the solution in a just society is to have laws based on actions and not motives.
There is no law against having sex with 12 year olds?
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@rembrandt said in British Politics:
@bones said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt you made me curious, where did you get the 90% figure for white UK? And weren't those photos from London anyway?
To be fair that was just a cursory google search, I see 2011 census data has it at 87.1%, so nearly 90% would be more accurate. You could argue for bumping it higher for Gypsy/Traveller who most likely look white which is another 1%. If you are just looking superficially at a racial breakdown of a crowd of people without talking with them you might even identify some mixed race folk as white also.
Photos are from London but the issues have broken out mostly outside of London (well the scandals that have broken anyway) hence people arriving in from around the country in order to protest . Living in London when these scandals broke I didn't really hear much at all, there were some articles in tabloids but certainly the prevailing attitude amongst my social and work group was that these tabloids were racist liars. London is a bubble. As I said though this is all irrelevant, the apparent skin tone of a crowd does not add or remove validity for what they are protesting about.
The comment was more that that was a very disproportionate looking crowd for the location. Certainly doesn't look representative of a 60% white London. Do you also realise that the protest was timed to take advantage of the Queens birthday (even bigger and more 'representative') crowds?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@crucial said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@crucial said in British Politics:
Sorry @Rembrandt, I understand you are passionate about the underlying message but this is plain dumb and totally twists reality.
TR broke the law and admitted it. His actions almost derailed the very convictions he is arguing for so extra stupid on his part.
The authorities are currently doing everything they can to get justice for those girls, including strict enforcement of court reporting so as not to ruin the prosecution.
I don't deny that originally there were system failings and that needs dealing with to stop it happening again. That is well understood by the police.
There was no need for TR to doing what he did except for promoting his own underlying agenda of being anti-islam. This 'protest' smacks of being a group of football hooligans that believe that being British means fitting some image they hold of themselves and without grasp of reality.
How much diversity is in that crowd? Not much.And you know that how?
The amount of reports/scorn/changes/arrests and investigations since the Telford case.
Police are fully in support of law changes to help them combat the problem because basically they have problems bringing charges and making prosecutions under current law. These scum operate cleverly. To make out like they simply grab and rape and are therefore subject to laws designed to combat that is misleading. These gangs operate with degrees of separation and in many cases by the time they get hold of their victims there is consent. The law doesn't cover coerced consent.
The now Home Secretary is also fully behind pushing for changes to address this.If the protests and uproar were simply to push the govt to move quicker on the fixes then fair enough. Instead they play the tune that there is a system complicit in protecting 'non-British' to the detriment of British. There may have been elements of that (avoiding racial profiling) compounding a poor systemic approach a number of years ago but that is now well understood and reported on.
I just don't agree with this opinion that it is only the efforts of TR and supporters that is addressing this issue. I believe TR is simply using this issue to push his xenophobic agenda and his efforts place at risk the very prosecutions he is trying to achieve. He wants to highlight the race/religion side over the behaviour side when the solution in a just society is to have laws based on actions and not motives.
There is no law against having sex with 12 year olds?
Of course there is and I'm pretty sure those cases have been pretty easy to bring to justice once a complaint is made. By far in the main the cases being supposedly 'ignored' are young women of (just) legal age being groomed and manipulated into situations where consent is extremely hard to prove.
If you can provide evidence of sex with 12 year olds being waved away on religious grounds I am happy to accept your point. If the perps are facing justice though, why the need to point the finger toward their race/religion rather than behaviour, and why the need to continue to make out as if there is a conspiracy by authorities to cover things up?
TR and co seem to also want justice to be simply on their say so, hence the baiting outside courts before prosecutions are completed. That doesn't assist in solving the problem at all.
If you doubt their naivety just watch the start of that youtube about his arrest where the camera guy and the dumb bint giggle about how he wasn't even doing his usual and calling out abuse at the accused. Once its in the court system, let the courts do their job FFS. If the law isn't supporting the obvious complain about the law afterwards but highlighting the religious and racial aspects doesn't help the problem at all. -
All this smoke screen about him jeopardising the case is bullshit of the highest order.
remember this outside a trial in progress?
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@crucial said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@crucial said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@crucial said in British Politics:
Sorry @Rembrandt, I understand you are passionate about the underlying message but this is plain dumb and totally twists reality.
TR broke the law and admitted it. His actions almost derailed the very convictions he is arguing for so extra stupid on his part.
The authorities are currently doing everything they can to get justice for those girls, including strict enforcement of court reporting so as not to ruin the prosecution.
I don't deny that originally there were system failings and that needs dealing with to stop it happening again. That is well understood by the police.
There was no need for TR to doing what he did except for promoting his own underlying agenda of being anti-islam. This 'protest' smacks of being a group of football hooligans that believe that being British means fitting some image they hold of themselves and without grasp of reality.
How much diversity is in that crowd? Not much.And you know that how?
The amount of reports/scorn/changes/arrests and investigations since the Telford case.
Police are fully in support of law changes to help them combat the problem because basically they have problems bringing charges and making prosecutions under current law. These scum operate cleverly. To make out like they simply grab and rape and are therefore subject to laws designed to combat that is misleading. These gangs operate with degrees of separation and in many cases by the time they get hold of their victims there is consent. The law doesn't cover coerced consent.
The now Home Secretary is also fully behind pushing for changes to address this.If the protests and uproar were simply to push the govt to move quicker on the fixes then fair enough. Instead they play the tune that there is a system complicit in protecting 'non-British' to the detriment of British. There may have been elements of that (avoiding racial profiling) compounding a poor systemic approach a number of years ago but that is now well understood and reported on.
I just don't agree with this opinion that it is only the efforts of TR and supporters that is addressing this issue. I believe TR is simply using this issue to push his xenophobic agenda and his efforts place at risk the very prosecutions he is trying to achieve. He wants to highlight the race/religion side over the behaviour side when the solution in a just society is to have laws based on actions and not motives.
There is no law against having sex with 12 year olds?
Of course there is and I'm pretty sure those cases have been pretty easy to bring to justice once a complaint is made. By far in the main the cases being supposedly 'ignored' are young women of (just) legal age being groomed and manipulated into situations where consent is extremely hard to prove.
If you can provide evidence of sex with 12 year olds being waved away on religious grounds I am happy to accept your point. If the perps are facing justice though, why the need to point the finger toward their race/religion rather than behaviour, and why the need to continue to make out as if there is a conspiracy by authorities to cover things up?
TR and co seem to also want justice to be simply on their say so, hence the baiting outside courts before prosecutions are completed. That doesn't assist in solving the problem at all.
If you doubt their naivety just watch the start of that youtube about his arrest where the camera guy and the dumb bint giggle about how he wasn't even doing his usual and calling out abuse at the accused. Once its in the court system, let the courts do their job FFS. If the law isn't supporting the obvious complain about the law afterwards but highlighting the religious and racial aspects doesn't help the problem at all.You are pretty sure it is easy... your faith in the police is completely misguided, evidence is clear that they dropped the ball.
But to clarify.. you think the police acted with due haste and conviction in these cases.. seriously.. that is the position you are taking?
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@crucial said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@crucial said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@crucial said in British Politics:
Sorry @Rembrandt, I understand you are passionate about the underlying message but this is plain dumb and totally twists reality.
TR broke the law and admitted it. His actions almost derailed the very convictions he is arguing for so extra stupid on his part.
The authorities are currently doing everything they can to get justice for those girls, including strict enforcement of court reporting so as not to ruin the prosecution.
I don't deny that originally there were system failings and that needs dealing with to stop it happening again. That is well understood by the police.
There was no need for TR to doing what he did except for promoting his own underlying agenda of being anti-islam. This 'protest' smacks of being a group of football hooligans that believe that being British means fitting some image they hold of themselves and without grasp of reality.
How much diversity is in that crowd? Not much.And you know that how?
The amount of reports/scorn/changes/arrests and investigations since the Telford case.
Police are fully in support of law changes to help them combat the problem because basically they have problems bringing charges and making prosecutions under current law. These scum operate cleverly. To make out like they simply grab and rape and are therefore subject to laws designed to combat that is misleading. These gangs operate with degrees of separation and in many cases by the time they get hold of their victims there is consent. The law doesn't cover coerced consent.
The now Home Secretary is also fully behind pushing for changes to address this.If the protests and uproar were simply to push the govt to move quicker on the fixes then fair enough. Instead they play the tune that there is a system complicit in protecting 'non-British' to the detriment of British. There may have been elements of that (avoiding racial profiling) compounding a poor systemic approach a number of years ago but that is now well understood and reported on.
I just don't agree with this opinion that it is only the efforts of TR and supporters that is addressing this issue. I believe TR is simply using this issue to push his xenophobic agenda and his efforts place at risk the very prosecutions he is trying to achieve. He wants to highlight the race/religion side over the behaviour side when the solution in a just society is to have laws based on actions and not motives.
There is no law against having sex with 12 year olds?
Of course there is and I'm pretty sure those cases have been pretty easy to bring to justice once a complaint is made. By far in the main the cases being supposedly 'ignored' are young women of (just) legal age being groomed and manipulated into situations where consent is extremely hard to prove.
If you can provide evidence of sex with 12 year olds being waved away on religious grounds I am happy to accept your point. If the perps are facing justice though, why the need to point the finger toward their race/religion rather than behaviour, and why the need to continue to make out as if there is a conspiracy by authorities to cover things up?
TR and co seem to also want justice to be simply on their say so, hence the baiting outside courts before prosecutions are completed. That doesn't assist in solving the problem at all.
If you doubt their naivety just watch the start of that youtube about his arrest where the camera guy and the dumb bint giggle about how he wasn't even doing his usual and calling out abuse at the accused. Once its in the court system, let the courts do their job FFS. If the law isn't supporting the obvious complain about the law afterwards but highlighting the religious and racial aspects doesn't help the problem at all.Crucial it's nice that you have such faith in the police and the system but unfortunately I can't accept your rosy picture about how everything is now fine and dandy. If even 10% of what TR says is true then the system is rotten and if the choice is made between justice and potentially offending a very volatile minority they'll pander to the minority every day of the week. The scale of these grooming gangs is huge and it could just be the tip of the iceberg. This was an epic failure on the part of the authorities and I think it's naive in the extreme to claim that it's all fine now and actually TR is the problem. This also ties in with your bizarre defence of the authorities in the Count Dankula case. I don't know whether it's because you actually believe the police and authorities are really awesome or you just want to have a kick at someone who isn't part of your side.
BTW you said TR has a xenophobic agenda. How do you arrive at that conclusion? Because many Muslims are brown? For someone with such a purported fear of foreigners he seems to have pretty good ties with them. His issue is with the religion and that's a legitimate one. At least you managed to hold back the urge to call him a racist, but xenophobe is pretty much the same thing. Met a person the other night who was vehemently anti-religion. Suppose he's another xenophobe too?
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Only halfway through but extremely damning.
Apparently London scandal actively being covered up.
ITNJ Judicial Commision of Inquiry into Human Trafficking and Child Sex Abuse
*edit - Looking into this guy further, some of his associations are dubious and big in the conspiracy theory community. Doesn't necessarily mean he is false as he is collaborated by other police whistleblowers but doesn't aid his cause when nutters are putting out his story.
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The FLA have now united with the DFLA hot on the heels of strong rumours that Tommy has been moved from the relative safety of Hull prison to the relative danger of Midlands prison. This really would be an incredibly bad time for something to happen to him.
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