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@no-quarter said in NZ Politics:
This part sums it up:
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Among Hawthorn's many convictions are 12 for drink-driving, 10 for driving while disqualified, three for dangerous driving, and one for careless driving,
'''and yet the judge thinks suspension is the solution.
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Her only achievement of note of 22 years in parliament is marrying her cousin
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@mn5 yep, I think you kill someone while under the influence you should eb charged with as close to murder as they can.
And being banned from driving for 2 years, FFS, should be banned for life after 2 drink driving convictions...but given his disregard for the law, he'd drive anyway.
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@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@mn5 yep, I think you kill someone while under the influence you should eb charged with as close to murder as they can.
And being banned from driving for 2 years, FFS, should be banned for life after 2 drink driving convictions...but given his disregard for the law, he'd drive anyway.
Was listening to talk back, apparently he had the option to reduce his sentence by attending AA classes and refused. He got ten years and served the lot cos he's clearly a stubborn fuck.
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Whatever his tipple of choice, someone fills a barrel and drowns him in it.
(Honestly, I cannot even fathom how this guy with four deaths and multiple offences to his name has still even had a license to lose let alone be suspended. And it shouldn't be a choice of alcohol rehabilitation, but a long, long stay in a secure facility.)
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@taniwharugby @Mokey @MN5 its all of our fault apparently
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12164640
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@jegga in part I think there is some truth in that, the soft approach to his convictions, even being allowed to drive at all, but at the end of the day, if someone doesn't think they have a problem or want help then no amount of help provided will matter.
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@jegga said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby @Mokey @MN5 its all of our fault apparently
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12164640
Yeah, definitely give him more chances. He might still learn.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@jegga in part I think there is some truth in that, the soft approach to his convictions, even being allowed to drive at all, but at the end of the day, if someone doesn't think they have a problem or want help then no amount of help provided will matter.
Yep - wasn't he offered a reduced sentence if he attended AA or similar, but preferred "yeah, ... nah" ?
That's pretty much the "System" offering the "help" that article presumably suggests (didn't read it, been drinking, oh the irony)... and him refusing it. -
@kruse said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@jegga in part I think there is some truth in that, the soft approach to his convictions, even being allowed to drive at all, but at the end of the day, if someone doesn't think they have a problem or want help then no amount of help provided will matter.
Yep - wasn't he offered a reduced sentence if he attended AA or similar, but preferred "yeah, ... nah" ?
That's pretty much the "System" offering the "help" that article presumably suggests (didn't read it, been drinking, oh the irony)... and him refusing it.He was given counselling for his alcohol issues which the original article tries to gloss over. He's obviously nuts.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3566555
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@jegga Grrrr. Articles like that piss me off. The only person responsible for an addict's behaviour is the addict. No system is perfect, we know that, but if an addict refuses help, or doesn't actually want to change, then it is doomed to fail. That is not the system's fault. And if fucking KILLING people wasn't this guy's rock bottom, then he has other serious issues than just being a drunk.
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@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@jegga Grrrr. Articles like that piss me off. The only person responsible for an addict's behaviour is the addict. No system is perfect, we know that, but if an addict refuses help, or doesn't actually want to change, then it is doomed to fail. That is not the system's fault. And if fucking KILLING people wasn't this guy's rock bottom, then he has other serious issues than just being a drunk.
I'm all for rehab and counselling in some cases and part of me does feel for people with genuine problems but that sympathy goes out the fucken window when fluffybunnies like this effect and kill others with their actions.
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@mn5 said in NZ Politics:
@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@jegga Grrrr. Articles like that piss me off. The only person responsible for an addict's behaviour is the addict. No system is perfect, we know that, but if an addict refuses help, or doesn't actually want to change, then it is doomed to fail. That is not the system's fault. And if fucking KILLING people wasn't this guy's rock bottom, then he has other serious issues than just being a drunk.
I'm all for rehab and counselling in some cases and part of me does feel for people with genuine problems but that sympathy goes out the fucken window when fluffybunnies like this effect and kill others with their actions.
He doesn't want to be redeemed. First chance he gets he will drive again. The best we can hope for is that he kills himself and doesn't take anyone with him
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@mn5 said in NZ Politics:
@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@jegga Grrrr. Articles like that piss me off. The only person responsible for an addict's behaviour is the addict. No system is perfect, we know that, but if an addict refuses help, or doesn't actually want to change, then it is doomed to fail. That is not the system's fault. And if fucking KILLING people wasn't this guy's rock bottom, then he has other serious issues than just being a drunk.
I'm all for rehab and counselling in some cases and part of me does feel for people with genuine problems but that sympathy goes out the fucken window when fluffybunnies like this effect and kill others with their actions.
He doesn't want to be redeemed. First chance he gets he will drive again. The best we can hope for is that he kills himself and doesn't take anyone with him
I know so my post is actually pretty generous as far as a guy like him is concerned.
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@mn5 said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@mn5 said in NZ Politics:
@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@jegga Grrrr. Articles like that piss me off. The only person responsible for an addict's behaviour is the addict. No system is perfect, we know that, but if an addict refuses help, or doesn't actually want to change, then it is doomed to fail. That is not the system's fault. And if fucking KILLING people wasn't this guy's rock bottom, then he has other serious issues than just being a drunk.
I'm all for rehab and counselling in some cases and part of me does feel for people with genuine problems but that sympathy goes out the fucken window when fluffybunnies like this effect and kill others with their actions.
He doesn't want to be redeemed. First chance he gets he will drive again. The best we can hope for is that he kills himself and doesn't take anyone with him
I know so my post is actually pretty generous as far as a guy like him is concerned.
I don't know what he is being charged with but considering that he is well aware what he is doing will probably cause someone harm it should be at least manslaughter and come with a stiff sentence
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@mn5 said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@mn5 said in NZ Politics:
@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@jegga Grrrr. Articles like that piss me off. The only person responsible for an addict's behaviour is the addict. No system is perfect, we know that, but if an addict refuses help, or doesn't actually want to change, then it is doomed to fail. That is not the system's fault. And if fucking KILLING people wasn't this guy's rock bottom, then he has other serious issues than just being a drunk.
I'm all for rehab and counselling in some cases and part of me does feel for people with genuine problems but that sympathy goes out the fucken window when fluffybunnies like this effect and kill others with their actions.
He doesn't want to be redeemed. First chance he gets he will drive again. The best we can hope for is that he kills himself and doesn't take anyone with him
I know so my post is actually pretty generous as far as a guy like him is concerned.
I don't know what he is being charged with but considering that he is well aware what he is doing will probably cause someone harm it should be at least manslaughter and come with a stiff sentence
Well exactly. If I killed anyone drink driving I'm fairly sure the remorse would be with me my whole life and I'd never touch another drop.....
.....and I LOVE a drink .
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@mn5 Yeah, that's often the worst thing about these stories. The big hearted grandma who got killed by the drunk. The little kid who got beat to a pulp by the meth head. The business owner who went into receivership cos they got defrauded by a gambler employee. These addicts don't give a shit about the carnage they cause, either.
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@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@mn5 Yeah, that's often the worst thing about these stories. The big hearted grandma who got killed by the drunk. The little kid who got beat to a pulp by the meth head. The business owner who went into receivership cos they got defrauded by a gambler employee. These addicts don't give a shit about the carnage they cause, either.
So why should we care about them? The irredeemable ones need to be put down, they don't deserve better
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