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@Siam you are kidding yourself if you dont think his personality has way more influence than anything else today, including doing a good job.
I wonder how many of the public servants he said recently would be very happy with earning no money for the greater good for the US over the coming weeks, actually agree?
Even pro-Trump folk would be hard pressed to think earning no money was good for them.
Sometimes his mouth is way ahead of his brain without a filter (good or bad)
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This adds nothing to the discussion but slight amusement:
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@Frank said in US Politics:
This article from a right wing site argues Ocasio-Cortez is possibly being underestimated by Conservative. I tend to agree.
They’ve given her loads of free publicity considering her lowly place on the party she has a pretty huge profile.
The holes in her backstory are starting to come to light now too though.
Also , she has a nice rack as was pointed out earlier.
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@jegga said in US Politics:
Also , she has a nice rack as was pointed out earlier.
That covers a lot of sins when you're younger.
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@jegga said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
This article from a right wing site argues Ocasio-Cortez is possibly being underestimated by Conservative. I tend to agree.
They’ve given her loads of free publicity considering her lowly place on the party she has a pretty huge profile.
The holes in her backstory are starting to come to light now too though.
Also , she has a nice rack as was pointed out earlier.
Your political analysis is top notch. Tell me more about this rack.
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I said the lack of anything positive about him in Kirwans scenario is completely not only his fault.
"But he said....." as a full justification that the lack of positivity to him in NZ media over 2 years is a ridiculously shallow explanation.
There are so many variables involved in Trumps presidential assessment that to say it's ALL his fault is puerile
If people can't distinguish the performance of the US as a nation from their elected leader's personality then they're seriously lacking objective analytical skills.
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@taniwharugby
Sure.But the Trump card ( pun intended) in he MSM situation is blindly assuming they represent the majority. It's not clearly obvious that msm does speak for the majority.
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@Siam thats not what I said...although I guess technically they pretty much mean the same thing...
I mean there is probably a majority who still believe what MSM tell them, not necessarily that they represent the majority.
I actually think Trump does need to take the vast majority of the blame as to how he is perceived, MSM has just jumped on it and run with it, exaggerated it, 'faked' it, but as @Kirwan says, he just doesnt give a shit.
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@taniwharugby said in Religion, Morality and Political Correctness on campus:
@Siam thats not what I said...although I guess technically they pretty much mean the same thing...
I mean there is probably a majority who still believe what MSM tell them, not necessarily that they represent the majority.
I actually think Trump does need to take the vast majority of the blame as to how he is perceived, MSM has just jumped on it and run with it, exaggerated it, 'faked' it, but as @Kirwan says, he just doesnt give a shit.
Sorry but you have just proven that you have been just as influenced the MSM jihad against Trump as many others. I fid that mildly depressing.
You are basically buying into the theory that all politicians should obey the the left wing medias world view... or the politician is to blame for the biased coverage.
The bias levels are off the fucking charts ... but they were withe every single right wing candidate in the US. Every. Single . One.
If you actually want a decent politically adversarial system in the west for your kids future you should open your eyes to what has been happening. At the moment we are allowing the media to sleep walk us towards a far left socialist destination, claims that Trump is mostly to blame for the medias behaviour is fucking horrendous. If they just reported what he said, then you would be right, but they do not, they twist and they opinionate .. but only in one direction. You think the coverage Ardern gets and the coverage Trump gets are not related? Where the US goes, NZ follows. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback I said trump is to blame for the medias treatment of him, not thier behaviour, IMO quite different.
I dont think I have been influenced by anyone, I hear words that come out of his mouth and determine what I think they mean; I think he is a despicable human being, but alot of what he is trying to achieve gets muddied by his delivery and arrogance (and then the media slant)
as siam said above, Trump has also had the smarts to use MSM to build him up to the point where a day doesnt go by when he isnt a main headline for one reason or another, and they are too stupid or pigheaded to change tact.
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@taniwharugby said in Religion, Morality and Political Correctness on campus:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback I said trump is to blame for the medias treatment of him, not thier behaviour, IMO quite different.
I dont think I have been influenced by anyone, I hear words that come out of his mouth and determine what I think they mean; I think he is a despicable human being, but alot of what he is trying to achieve gets muddied by his delivery and arrogance.
as siam said above, Trump has also had the smarts to use MSM to build him up to the point where a day doesnt go by when he isnt a main headline for one reason or another, and they are too stupid or pigheaded to change tact.
No I didn't say that. Not even close to that. I was questioning the wholesale influence msm actually has on a population. Loudest not equating to truest.
No big deal tr, just wanted to clear that up
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@Rembrandt said in Religion, Morality and Political Correctness on campus:
I r3ckon any Republican nominee would have got the same ridiculously biased treatment from the media as Trump. Trump just had the smarts to make it work in his favour.
sorry, I mis-read/quoted you
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@Rembrandt said in Religion, Morality and Political Correctness on campus:
I r3ckon any Republican nominee would have got the same ridiculously biased treatment from the media as Trump. Trump just had the smarts to make it work in his favour.
Yep. Squeaky clean Romney was the devil. Before that, the media's favourite Republican maverick McCain became enemy number 1 when he was in direct competition with their darling. And let's not forget what Sarah Palin was subjected to by the same people who scream mysogeny whenever a female politician is criticised (whoops sorry, those rules only apply to one side).
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@taniwharugby said in Religion, Morality and Political Correctness on campus:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback I said trump is to blame for the medias treatment of him, not thier behaviour, IMO quite different.
I dont think I have been influenced by anyone, I hear words that come out of his mouth and determine what I think they mean; I think he is a despicable human being, but alot of what he is trying to achieve gets muddied by his delivery and arrogance (and then the media slant)
as siam said above, Trump has also had the smarts to use MSM to build him up to the point where a day doesnt go by when he isnt a main headline for one reason or another, and they are too stupid or pigheaded to change tact.
Despicable human being? That is pretty strong language. Do you have some specific examples that you could share?
I just think you are way more influenced than you realise. Palin was the devil, McCain was Hitler, Bush was Hitler, Romney was the devil... and ALL those narratives were believed in NZ. The next right candidate will also be targetted and the vast majority will think he is depicable . Or maybe 'stupid' like Bush, 'arrogant' like Romney, 'evil war monger' like McCain.... take second to think back how Palin and Bush were described in NZ. I remember clearly I thought they were both morons.
I think you and I are 99% similar in ideologies and values. If you have this opinion on Trump then that makes me glum. I think the vast majority of NZ'ers think like you or more left wing.
Trump being a horrible person is a media narrative, and plenty of soundbites have been put of context to 'prove it' hence my genuine request for some examples of what you heard coming out of his mouth to make him a dispicable human being. -
What’s “despicable” about Trump are all the deplorable politically-correct things that many people think in their heads and yet are too chickenshit terrified to actually speak in public; whereas Trump just bulldozes ahead fearlessly and says it, damn the torpedoes.
Cue the fainting spells from the Fourth Estate. #despicable
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