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@taniwharugby said in Religion, Morality and Political Correctness on campus:
@Siam thats not what I said...although I guess technically they pretty much mean the same thing...
I mean there is probably a majority who still believe what MSM tell them, not necessarily that they represent the majority.
I actually think Trump does need to take the vast majority of the blame as to how he is perceived, MSM has just jumped on it and run with it, exaggerated it, 'faked' it, but as @Kirwan says, he just doesnt give a shit.
Sorry but you have just proven that you have been just as influenced the MSM jihad against Trump as many others. I fid that mildly depressing.
You are basically buying into the theory that all politicians should obey the the left wing medias world view... or the politician is to blame for the biased coverage.
The bias levels are off the fucking charts ... but they were withe every single right wing candidate in the US. Every. Single . One.
If you actually want a decent politically adversarial system in the west for your kids future you should open your eyes to what has been happening. At the moment we are allowing the media to sleep walk us towards a far left socialist destination, claims that Trump is mostly to blame for the medias behaviour is fucking horrendous. If they just reported what he said, then you would be right, but they do not, they twist and they opinionate .. but only in one direction. You think the coverage Ardern gets and the coverage Trump gets are not related? Where the US goes, NZ follows. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback I said trump is to blame for the medias treatment of him, not thier behaviour, IMO quite different.
I dont think I have been influenced by anyone, I hear words that come out of his mouth and determine what I think they mean; I think he is a despicable human being, but alot of what he is trying to achieve gets muddied by his delivery and arrogance (and then the media slant)
as siam said above, Trump has also had the smarts to use MSM to build him up to the point where a day doesnt go by when he isnt a main headline for one reason or another, and they are too stupid or pigheaded to change tact.
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@taniwharugby said in Religion, Morality and Political Correctness on campus:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback I said trump is to blame for the medias treatment of him, not thier behaviour, IMO quite different.
I dont think I have been influenced by anyone, I hear words that come out of his mouth and determine what I think they mean; I think he is a despicable human being, but alot of what he is trying to achieve gets muddied by his delivery and arrogance.
as siam said above, Trump has also had the smarts to use MSM to build him up to the point where a day doesnt go by when he isnt a main headline for one reason or another, and they are too stupid or pigheaded to change tact.
No I didn't say that. Not even close to that. I was questioning the wholesale influence msm actually has on a population. Loudest not equating to truest.
No big deal tr, just wanted to clear that up
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@Rembrandt said in Religion, Morality and Political Correctness on campus:
I r3ckon any Republican nominee would have got the same ridiculously biased treatment from the media as Trump. Trump just had the smarts to make it work in his favour.
sorry, I mis-read/quoted you
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@Rembrandt said in Religion, Morality and Political Correctness on campus:
I r3ckon any Republican nominee would have got the same ridiculously biased treatment from the media as Trump. Trump just had the smarts to make it work in his favour.
Yep. Squeaky clean Romney was the devil. Before that, the media's favourite Republican maverick McCain became enemy number 1 when he was in direct competition with their darling. And let's not forget what Sarah Palin was subjected to by the same people who scream mysogeny whenever a female politician is criticised (whoops sorry, those rules only apply to one side).
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@taniwharugby said in Religion, Morality and Political Correctness on campus:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback I said trump is to blame for the medias treatment of him, not thier behaviour, IMO quite different.
I dont think I have been influenced by anyone, I hear words that come out of his mouth and determine what I think they mean; I think he is a despicable human being, but alot of what he is trying to achieve gets muddied by his delivery and arrogance (and then the media slant)
as siam said above, Trump has also had the smarts to use MSM to build him up to the point where a day doesnt go by when he isnt a main headline for one reason or another, and they are too stupid or pigheaded to change tact.
Despicable human being? That is pretty strong language. Do you have some specific examples that you could share?
I just think you are way more influenced than you realise. Palin was the devil, McCain was Hitler, Bush was Hitler, Romney was the devil... and ALL those narratives were believed in NZ. The next right candidate will also be targetted and the vast majority will think he is depicable . Or maybe 'stupid' like Bush, 'arrogant' like Romney, 'evil war monger' like McCain.... take second to think back how Palin and Bush were described in NZ. I remember clearly I thought they were both morons.
I think you and I are 99% similar in ideologies and values. If you have this opinion on Trump then that makes me glum. I think the vast majority of NZ'ers think like you or more left wing.
Trump being a horrible person is a media narrative, and plenty of soundbites have been put of context to 'prove it' hence my genuine request for some examples of what you heard coming out of his mouth to make him a dispicable human being. -
What’s “despicable” about Trump are all the deplorable politically-correct things that many people think in their heads and yet are too chickenshit terrified to actually speak in public; whereas Trump just bulldozes ahead fearlessly and says it, damn the torpedoes.
Cue the fainting spells from the Fourth Estate. #despicable
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The hospital with the major trauma centre in San Francisco has no agreement with any insurance providers. Therefore, patients (who often aren't in a condition to state what hospital they want to go to that is covered by their insurance company) gets hit with huge bills
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@Tim said in US Politics:
Mattis: One More General for the ‘Self Licking Ice Cream Cone’
He pushed Theranos! Holy shit. Any respect for him just went off a cliff. That bitch must have had some kind of Jedi mind control over those powerful old dudes.
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@Stockcar86 said in Interesting reads:
The hospital with the major trauma centre in San Francisco has no agreement with any insurance providers. Therefore, patients (who often aren't in a condition to state what hospital they want to go to that is covered by their insurance company) gets hit with huge bills
That country is fucked up.
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@Nepia said in Interesting reads:
@Stockcar86 said in Interesting reads:
The hospital with the major trauma centre in San Francisco has no agreement with any insurance providers. Therefore, patients (who often aren't in a condition to state what hospital they want to go to that is covered by their insurance company) gets hit with huge bills
That country is fucked up.
These things shouldn't happen in the richest country in the world. Much easier to buy a few more tomohawk missiles than fix the health system
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@canefan Richest country in the world? (Trillions of dollars in debt according to Times Square.)Says who? the yanks?
The "greatest country in the world", "Greatest country in the history of the world", "Leader of the free world" are all boasts I've repeatedly heard but not from anyone outside America
By that logic: "Palmerston North, greatest city in the world" must be true..
Shameless country with so many brilliant features, all totally nullified by their other total nonsense. Definietly not the shining bright star they were when us old ferners were growing up
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Excellent round up here about the completely fake headlines regarding the Ocasio-Cortez dance video. Not a single Republican gave a shit, but that didn't stop the media creating their own narrative:
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Strong border security is an odd hill for the Democrats to choose to die on. Traditionally both sides have been in favour of curbing illegal immigration, do they really think backflipping on that is a good idea? Seems insanely risky...
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@No-Quarter
What they have in their favor is that if the shutdown persists, it will spread to IRS workers not being paid and other departments. This won't play well with the public and they will likely blame Trump.Also, certain Senate Republicans are very anxious not to be blamed for the shutdown and will start publicly calling for it to end without Trump getting any money for the wall (Susan Collins, Cory Gardner and probably Mitt fuckin Romney)
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@antipodean you're wrong, deep down she is nuts by any standard that should be applied by a non-moron society.
She's given the benefit of the doubt because she appears extremely fuckable. Stating her sexual appeal publically ( drawing attention to her effect on males) would diminish her female electorate by half.
Toxic femininity is the abuse of the sexual power women have on men, (ever seen a hot chick walk into a room full of blokes, that's power!), blokes just bash people. Either one exhibits power for their own means.
Don't attribute round-about nous to this attention seeker who's been too pretty and vivacious to never have been told "no".
Edit: sorry antipodean, I jumped the gun. Machiavellian Political Actor was how Saigon described her and I better understand what you said.
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