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@Siam Hard to get your head around when you read the reports. I lived there during the time and it just didn't feature in the papers or if it did the religious aspect was covered up entirely. Government people are cowards, they are more concerned about the potential outrage of being called racist and not being reelected than the welfare of children, particularly if they are white working class. Tories don't care and labour have pushes them aside for the immigrant voting bloc even if it means ignoring child rape. I think its more about self preservation and the failure of journalism. If media had given a damn about actual reporting in the first place they might have stood a chance.
I met this bloke over the weekend, there is video on youtube of him nearly being beaten to death in Bradford for converting to Christianity. He's currently seeking asylum for him and his family in Aussie/Canada or the USA as Britain is no longer safe. People don't quite realise just how bad things have become, there are entirely Islamic sections of Britain now where if you are outed as an apostate they will try and kill you. The police also cannot entirely be trusted as a number hold the same extremist beliefs.
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@sparky said in British Politics:
Sounds like some MPs are going to resign from the UK Labour today , possibly to set up their own party. Event in just over an hour.
Chuka Umunna led a group of Labour MPs in quitting the party over Jeremy Corbyn's handling of Brexit and claims of anti-Semitism.
The group, including Luciana Berger stood down today and formed a "new group of independent MPs" in a protest over "the future of British politics" in a significant party split.
The MPs who quit Labour are: Chuka Umunna, Luciana Berger, Chris Leslie, Ann Coffey, Angela Smith, Gavin Shuker and Mike Gapes.
The group announced in a statement: "We are leaving the Labour Party to sit as the Independent Group of Members of Parliament."Our primary duty as Members of Parliament is to put the best interests of our constituents and our country first. Yet like so many others, we believe that none of today’s political parties are fit to provide the leadership and direction needed by our country.
"Our aim is to pursue policies that are evidence-based, not led by ideology, taking a long-term perspective to the challenges of the 21st century in the national interest, rather than locked in the old politics of the 20th century in the party’s interests.
"As an Independent Group we aim to recognise the value of healthy debate, show tolerance towards different opinions and seek to reach across outdated divides and build consensus to tackle Britain’s problems."
They are angry over leader Jeremy Corbyn's approach to Brexit and his lack of progress on tackling accusations of anti-Semitism within Labour.
Labour disclosed last week it had received 673 allegations of anti-Semitism by its members over the past 10 months, leading to 12 individuals being expelled. Writing in the Sun on Sunday, Michael Dugher said the Labour Party had repeatedly failed to "adequately tackle anti-Semitism".
The now chief executive of UK Music said: "I will continue to have lots of dear friends in the Labour Party, including many talented MPs and hard-working local councillors who are fantastically dedicated public servants.
"Yet in all good conscience, I can no longer justify paying subs to a party which I now regard as institutionally anti-Semitic."
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The good thing is that it weakens Corbyn. That man + no deal Brexit would send the UK into a tailspin.
Probably one for the Brexit thread but this could potentially open a door for May to do a deal with these independents and avoid that septic bunch of DUP MPs.
Can't see what it would be, but I'm sure she will be talking to them.#evenbaldrickhadaplan
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Farage should be announcing his new party shortly. Maybe we'll see conservatives do the same.
That’s an interesting one. On one level you could say Farage has done himself out of a job following the vote. Does he have the political smarts to go mainstream polly? Could he take any of the disaffected Tories with him? I doubt that as I’m not sure there’s many of them that have any real gripe save Brexit and personal political ambition.
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@Rembrandt they are doing well to fudge the lines between criticising Islam the set of ideas, and Muslims the people who follow it in varying ways.
The question is directed at Islam, which is pretty obviously a threat given the multitude of terrorist groups that adhere to it, and the conclusion is that the results show anti-Muslim bigotry despite never asking a question about Muslims.
Also this statement is laughable stupid:
The report refers to the threat of lone-wolf terrorists and right-wing extremists, who are getting radicalised over the internet.
How can you be a "lone-wolf terrorist"? Terrorism by definition has to have a political ideology behind it. That makes no sense.
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@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
How can you be a "lone-wolf terrorist"? Terrorism by definition has to have a political ideology behind it. That makes no sense.
Inspired/ motivated by the ideology and acting alone?
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@antipodean said in British Politics:
@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
How can you be a "lone-wolf terrorist"? Terrorism by definition has to have a political ideology behind it. That makes no sense.
Inspired/ motivated by the ideology and acting alone?
In pursuit of political aims? On your own? I would say terrorists very rarely, if ever act on their own, it is always part of a political aim that they and other people are pursuing.
I think what the report is referring to is lone-wolf ISIS terrorists, but they'd rather like to distance them from Islam. As opposed to the right-wing extremists who are obviously acting as part of a coherent group with clear stated aims... oh wait.
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@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
@antipodean said in British Politics:
@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
How can you be a "lone-wolf terrorist"? Terrorism by definition has to have a political ideology behind it. That makes no sense.
Inspired/ motivated by the ideology and acting alone?
In pursuit of political aims? On your own? I would say terrorists very rarely, if ever act on their own, it is always part of a political aim that they and other people are pursuing.
Precisely. One person watching ISIS videos, going full spastic at his local mosque and building a pipe bomb is a terrorist working alone.
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@antipodean said in British Politics:
@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
@antipodean said in British Politics:
@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
How can you be a "lone-wolf terrorist"? Terrorism by definition has to have a political ideology behind it. That makes no sense.
Inspired/ motivated by the ideology and acting alone?
In pursuit of political aims? On your own? I would say terrorists very rarely, if ever act on their own, it is always part of a political aim that they and other people are pursuing.
Precisely. One person watching ISIS videos, going full spastic at his local mosque and building a pipe bomb is a terrorist working alone.
Fair enough. Still part of a wider group with a specific call to action, so not 100% acting alone but take your point that ISIS throw those videos out in the hope that strangers will do what they want.
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@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt they are doing well to fudge the lines between criticising Islam the set of ideas, and Muslims the people who follow it in varying ways.
The question is directed at Islam, which is pretty obviously a threat given the multitude of terrorist groups that adhere to it, and the conclusion is that the results show anti-Muslim bigotry despite never asking a question about Muslims.
Also this statement is laughable stupid:
The report refers to the threat of lone-wolf terrorists and right-wing extremists, who are getting radicalised over the internet.
How can you be a "lone-wolf terrorist"? Terrorism by definition has to have a political ideology behind it. That makes no sense.
Does the term "lone-wolf terrorist" also include "right-wing terrorist"? Seems a rather convenient way of avoiding the fact that most of these lone-wolf terrorists are committing these acts in the name of certain religion.
I'm sure someone torching an abortion clinic would always be classified by the BBC as a lone-wolf terrorist.
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@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
Well this is fucking horrible:
Seems very odd.
If the very look of a Pakistani gets you mad enough to punch one then living in London must be pretty infuriating.
Really good guess picking he was Pakistani too, maybe he was wearing his cricket supporters jersey.... unless he knew of him already and targetted him.
Would be great if betting agencies offered odds on these events
- Random Racist
- Tommy Supporter (They have a fractious relationship)
- Random nutcase
- Hope-not-hate supporter going for 2 birds 1 stone approach trying to drum up a hatecrime story while at the same time having a go at this Islamophobe
- He paid two LBC extras to attack him in order to raise his profile as they were planning to write him out of London talk-back radio...
Being London there is bound to be footage.
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@Rembrandt Maajid is offside with both the alt-right racists and the regressive left racists and is pretty well known. I'd say whoever attacked him knew exactly who he was. Hope they catch the fucker and can figure it out.
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@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt Maajid is offside with both the alt-right racists and the regressive left racists and is pretty well known. I'd say whoever attacked him knew exactly who he was. Hope they catch the fucker and can figure it out.
...and Soho as well..not exactly a stereotypical white racist haunt..unless things have changed since my day isn't it like drag queens, gay bars, hipsters etc
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