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It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD
The Iraq war faceplant damaged the reputation of the press. Russiagate just destroyed it
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@Tim That is a superb article Tim. Thanks for posting that.
I am wondering if Russiagate was a story seeded in the eager Trump hating US media bloodstream to cover up another purpose. Clearly it was intended to harm Trump's Presidency, but I also wonder if there were certain actions (i.e, illegal surveillance on an opposition campaign) that needed ex-post-facto justification.
To put it another way, I wonder if the scandal is bigger than just lying press. I am hoping Barr investigates this fully. I mean it's not like Brennan has a history of surveillance overreach is it?
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@Tim said in US Politics:
It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD
The Iraq war faceplant damaged the reputation of the press. Russiagate just destroyed it
What I’ve been saying for two years, biggest natsec scam since WMD — manufactured and peddled by many of the same set of deep state spooks who now infiltrate every layer of mainstream American news media.
They’ve hated Trump ever since he said on the stump and in debates that Iraq was a disaster and “they lied and they knew they were lying” about WMD.
Adding: Taibbi is one of a very-very-very small subset of liberal leftists in the States who never bought the Russiagate conspiracy and have been copping abuse and accusations of being Putin’s puppets for two years because they refused to drink the koolaid. Taibbi was there with Greenwald, Mike Tracey, Aaron Mate, Tim Pool, Max Blumenthal and Jimmy Dore, and that was about the extent of it. None of those guys likes Trump, but they’ve called bullshit on the mass delusion. So right now is very interesting watching their twitter feeds as they unleash the Kraken.
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The best guy to follow throughout this whole thing has been Andrew McCarthy. He's hardly a Trump partisan and he's a former high profile prosecutor.. unfortunately his writing style is about as interesting as you'd expect from a lawyer:
The next step is an investigation into the investigation. Some will claim that's hyper divisive, however I think it's important.
Any suggestion that a sitting administration used the power of the security agencies to undermine a political opponent is incredibly serious. It's banana republic level shit.
If it didn't happen, clear peoples names. If it did happen, put people in jail -
The “best guy” has always been Justin Raimondo, the editorial director at Antiwar.com, who has been able to smoke out every American national security hoax since the Bosnian War (at least) and had this one nailed the day it started. Unfortunately Raimondo has been poleaxed by cancer the past year and is very close to death and his commentaries have been intermittent, but he’s been on top of all of it, to the degree that Antiwar.com wanted to release him b/c supposedly his hard-hitting commentaries exposing the scam have driven down contributions. That’s how pathetic and widespread the mass delusion has been. For his sake I’m happy he’s lived long enough to see the outcome.
Raimondo was also likely the first internet columnist, going right back to the very beginning of the public internet, who employed hyperlinks throughout his commentaries, so that everything he wrote could be sourced, which has always made him invaluable, to the degree that he’s a hard-hiting libertarian, but has routinely been a source for the left-wingers I named above, Greewald, Blumenthal, etc. Those guys mix it up on twitter all the time back & forth, they don’t blike his ideology, and yet they respect him enormously because he’s typically well ahead of the curve and has his facts nailed down with an encyclopedia photographic memory.
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Adding, and even though he’s a fire-breathing right-wing hawkish nutcase in most instances, Mark Levin has nailed this one from Day One as well. He’s warning that the full report cannot be released to the public, arguing a Grand Jury is impanelled by the prosecutor (Mueller) with subpoenaed witnesses interviewed without lawyers present, and that they’ve been given assurances that their testimony cannot be made public. Expect Democrat conspiracy wackos to use this fact as a cudgel to beat down the report as a cover-up and demand MORE investigations, for the same reason you’ll never be able to tell Tom Cruise that Xenu isn’t real.
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“Historically bad.”
Jimmy Dore has always made the point about the mass delusion lunacy for the past two years that if you didn’t believe their tinfoil hat fever dream, if you were even so much as mildly skeptical, then YOU were the one who got dismissed as a fringe “conspiracy theorist.”
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@Duluth said in US Politics:
....The next step is an investigation into the investigation. Some will claim that's hyper divisive, however I think it's important.
Any suggestion that a sitting administration used the power of the security agencies to undermine a political opponent is incredibly serious. It's banana republic level shit.
If it didn't happen, clear peoples names. If it did happen, put people in jailThat’s a very good point. Anything that has such potential for serious repercussions needs to be investigated. I see this as the main point of the investigation, the possibility of foreign interference in the US elections has far reaching ramifications and rightly IMO had to be investigated, both carry a similar degree of importance. Neither should be ignored.
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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
I see this as the main point of the investigation, the possibility of foreign interference in the US elections has far reaching ramifications and rightly IMO had to be investigated, both carry a similar degree of importance. Neither should be ignored.
Law enforcement is tasked with investigations of crimes, not “possibilities” of crimes, or else you can use that lame excuse as a banana republic tool to investigate everybody, anywhere, on any charge, an Orwellian nightmare. This exercise was a snipe-hunt in search of a crime. What it really was, was a manufactured pretext for a soft coup attempt to overturn a legitimate election result.
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@Salacious-Crumb That’s certainly one viewpoint and if the investigation of the investigation does go ahead, maybe we’ll find out.
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Barrs letter is out. Trump completely and utterly exonerated.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback Though they (in the letter) were at pains to say that "While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
I have to say I find that wording strange and I'm not really comfortable with it.
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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback Though they (in the letter) were at pains to say that "While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
I have to say I find that wording strange and I'm not really comfortable with it.
You are referring to the obstruction? Because it certainly did not say that about collusion. He was 100% completely and utterly exonerated form collusion.
As for obstruction, he was exonerated the prosecutors just cannot bring themsleves to say it, so they punted it to the AG.
Dont forget this is prosecutors document, not a judgment, the case has to be significantly weak to not even charge. All this was done with the defence having no input. For the prosecutors to decide they have no case... that is an exoneration. If some women said you raped her, and even the prosecuting lawyers said... nah'.. there is no evidence for that and we cannot even fight that case. Would you consider yourself exonerated of her allegation? That goes beyond even the court trial going your way. The case was so weak it didnt make it to court... -
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback I think we're agreeing with each other, strange as that seems.
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