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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
I see this as the main point of the investigation, the possibility of foreign interference in the US elections has far reaching ramifications and rightly IMO had to be investigated, both carry a similar degree of importance. Neither should be ignored.
Law enforcement is tasked with investigations of crimes, not “possibilities” of crimes, or else you can use that lame excuse as a banana republic tool to investigate everybody, anywhere, on any charge, an Orwellian nightmare. This exercise was a snipe-hunt in search of a crime. What it really was, was a manufactured pretext for a soft coup attempt to overturn a legitimate election result.
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@Salacious-Crumb That’s certainly one viewpoint and if the investigation of the investigation does go ahead, maybe we’ll find out.
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Barrs letter is out. Trump completely and utterly exonerated.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback Though they (in the letter) were at pains to say that "While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
I have to say I find that wording strange and I'm not really comfortable with it.
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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback Though they (in the letter) were at pains to say that "While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
I have to say I find that wording strange and I'm not really comfortable with it.
You are referring to the obstruction? Because it certainly did not say that about collusion. He was 100% completely and utterly exonerated form collusion.
As for obstruction, he was exonerated the prosecutors just cannot bring themsleves to say it, so they punted it to the AG.
Dont forget this is prosecutors document, not a judgment, the case has to be significantly weak to not even charge. All this was done with the defence having no input. For the prosecutors to decide they have no case... that is an exoneration. If some women said you raped her, and even the prosecuting lawyers said... nah'.. there is no evidence for that and we cannot even fight that case. Would you consider yourself exonerated of her allegation? That goes beyond even the court trial going your way. The case was so weak it didnt make it to court... -
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback I think we're agreeing with each other, strange as that seems.
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Classic Trump.
Lets his Democrat opponents and his "enemy of the people" media wind themselves up until they start believing conspiracy theories. When pet conspiracy theory turns out to be just that, he goads them into making bigger fools of themselves with their reaction.
He may be bombastic and his policies flawed but a fool he ain't.
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Ok.... I need help. I have been watching CNN for the last 2 hours. They have jumped soooo many sharks ... they have run out of sharks and run of of fonzies.
Bizarre
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
I have been watching CNN
That's the first time I've heard someone say that phrase in a long time...!
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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback Though they (in the letter) were at pains to say that "While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
That’s the Democratic cultists’ spin, certainly, but it’s ridiculous.
The prosecutor is not tasked with “exoneration.” It’s his job to find evidence of a crime and then indict. The prosecutor found exactly ZERO evidence to indict. That’s why there are ZERO indictments and ZERO recommendations for indictments.
And besides, all they’re doing is giving Trump another advantage, where he can 1) legitimately argue that it’s idiotic to “obstruct” an investigation of a crime that never happened; and 2) insist that defending oneself against false accusations is not obstruction, and he would have to have been an idiot to remain silent for almost 3 years of unrelenting false accusatuions spat at him by the Democrats and their media cohort.
The Dems can push this idiotic propaganda all they like, but it’s only going to boomerang on them and make Trump look even more vindicated. People understand now that this was indeed a “witch-hunt,” exactly as described by Trump.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Ok.... I need help. I have been watching CNN for the last 2 hours.
You poor sod...
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I've always thought that if Trump was as dumb as his opponents make him out to be, they are ten times dumber. Shocked that Mueller didn't find Trump colluded with Russia, they then tried another conspiracy theory that Trump would somehow block the full report....
"Donald Trump said it “wouldn’t bother me at all” to have special counsel Robert Mueller’s full report released.
"Up to the attorney general, but it wouldn’t bother me at all,” he said, in response to a shouted question at his White House event with Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu"
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@Salacious-Crumb I see you left off the last piece of my post saying I found the wording strange and I was not comfortable with it. Context and all that you know. The piece of my post that you bolded and then suggested was the Dems cultists spin was actually the quoted wording on the letter. There well may be some seriously corrupt practice going on from the anti Trump side but laying that bit on the Dems does not help your argument.
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Avenatti charged with wire and bank fraud.
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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
@Salacious-Crumb I see you left off the last piece of my post saying I found the wording strange and I was not comfortable with it. Context and all that you know.
Precisely. And I’ll repeat again: It’s not the prosecutor’s job to “exonerate.” That’s a strawman. Defense lawyers argue to exonerate, not prosecutors. And this was a Special Investigation before a Grand Jury where NO defense lawyers were permitted to be seated alongside their clients.
The piece of my post that you bolded and then suggested was the Dems cultists spin was actually the quoted wording on the letter.
Yup, and it’s still a strawman, whether Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein (who hates Trump, and is now eating some serious crow) signed off on it or not, it’s catnip for Dems, but is ultimately irrelevant. They found SFA to indict; ergo, there is nothing.
There well may be some seriously corrupt practice going on from the anti Trump side but laying that bit on the Dems does not help your argument.
Oh, please. You’re so naive. Who the Eff paid for that Fusion GPS and Steele dossier hoax in the first place, and who’s been peddling the scam for the past three years??
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