Censorship and the Mosque Shooting
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@canefan said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Kirwan said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Siam said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@MajorRage ok so if I get a team of people to find an online aftermatch photo of an All Black next to a fan with an "inflammatory " tee shirt, he's culpable too? He should be stood down from the RWC perhaps?
Seeing that the "optics" are so compelling, what if I photoshop Keiran Read next to such a shirt?
I mean, surely the naivety argument holds true universally?
Are you honestly thinking JP hasn’t screwed up here at all? Even though he more or less admitted he did?
Not sure he did re-reading it. He explains why he took the photo, believing in free speech. The reasons for no longer taking similar photos is to stop people taking it out of context to attack him, that's more of a comment on the ethics of those people.
Agree on the latter point.
I don’t buy the naivety myself. I think he knew exactly what he was doing and has since regretted it. I can also get thst out of his statement.
We're not talking about any old guy here. The guy is a university professor and public figure. He knew exactly what he was doing and miscalculated about the outcome
An All Black is a public figure with contractual obligations to corporations. If I get a team to trawl the internet for a photo then he's in the cross hairs too.
Or is this whole argument on a case by case basis and subjectively decided on what individuals think.
Again, on whose universal authority is an assessment valid depending on who you're captured in a photo next to during a 15 second interaction?
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Sometimes a musician has to have nerve and bad attitude to make the right kind of noise.
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Bloody sad day when guilt by association has become acceptable to many.
I dont think some people give any thought to where this sort of thing leads. It is like history teaches nothing. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
Bloody sad day when guilt by association has become acceptable to many.
I dont think some people give any thought to where this sort of thing leads. It is like history teaches nothing.Because these new leftists don't mind fascism when it's fascism they agree with.
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@Kirwan said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
Bloody sad day when guilt by association has become acceptable to many.
I dont think some people give any thought to where this sort of thing leads. It is like history teaches nothing.Because these new leftists don't mind fascism when it's fascism they agree with.
They just want the power. Nothing new there.
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Does not surprise me in the least that Wizard would be a kindred spirit. I’ve often wondered if he’d get away today saying some of the politically incorrect things he was saying 30-35 years ago. My hot girlfriend (at the time) was a bit of a sjw fledgling and was horrified that I was so entertained by the guy. (“There’s never been a war that wasn’t started by a woman.”) He was hilarious.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
He was hilarious.
He was indeed. A very smart dude too, got to a fair level of tertiary study. Provocative, and not frightened of really poking the borax at people. Was burning money to mitigate inflation in the 70s I believe- a really interesting character
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@Siam said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@MajorRage no.
Care to elaborate? I actually find this debate genuinely interesting & cannot believe it escalated the way it did.
I cannot reconcile that a psychology professor with his background could be considered naive about what he was getting himself into with that picture. Whether he was right or wrong to do it, has never really been what I've been debating.
@Siam said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@MajorRage ok so if I get a team of people to find an online aftermatch photo of an All Black next to a fan with an "inflammatory " tee shirt, he's culpable too? He should be stood down from the RWC perhaps?
Seeing that the "optics" are so compelling, what if I photoshop Keiran Read next to such a shirt?
I mean, surely the naivety argument holds true universally?
Why should he be stood down? I've never said, nor implied that.
We all know how it would end. IT would go viral, NZRFU would release an over the top statment about AB values and this doesn't represent them, Read would issue an apology talking about he didn't mean it etc etc. For many, Read would permanently be viewed as a whateverthewokecallthis-ist and so on. There would probably be a thread on this forum similar to the above.
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
Bloody sad day when guilt by association has become acceptable to many.
I dont think some people give any thought to where this sort of thing leads. It is like history teaches nothing.Agree entirely. Not actually sure why anybody would think I didn't.
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A child guilty of possessing a video before possessing that video was a crime. Already has served 2 months in custody.
Hope we're all feeling safer.
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@Rembrandt said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
A child guilty of possessing a video before possessing that video was a crime. Already has served 2 months in custody.
Hope we're all feeling safer.
There's quite a lot more to this story than the media are allowed to report.
From what I've heard from a few lawyers I know around town, the conviction is more than justified.
I think you still have a point, but perhaps that extends to the restrictions on the media reporting rather than the actual conviction.
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@SammyC said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Rembrandt said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
A child guilty of possessing a video before possessing that video was a crime. Already has served 2 months in custody.
Hope we're all feeling safer.
There's quite a lot more to this story than the media are allowed to report.
From what I've heard from a few lawyers I know around town, the conviction is more than justified.
I think you still have a point, but perhaps that extends to the restrictions on the media reporting rather than the actual conviction.
How progressive of NZ to charge and criminalise teenagers for a video
Even more progressive to remand a teenager in prison for 2 months for a fecking video
He'll be a perfectly happy & well adjusted teenager as a result of his wonderful experience in the Criminal Justice System
A 1st world nation having a "Chief Censor" is an abomination in a 21st century democracy
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@Jaguares4real said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@SammyC said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Rembrandt said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
A child guilty of possessing a video before possessing that video was a crime. Already has served 2 months in custody.
Hope we're all feeling safer.
There's quite a lot more to this story than the media are allowed to report.
From what I've heard from a few lawyers I know around town, the conviction is more than justified.
I think you still have a point, but perhaps that extends to the restrictions on the media reporting rather than the actual conviction.
How progressive of NZ to charge and criminalise teenagers for a video
Even more progressive to remand a teenager in prison for 2 months for a fecking video
He'll be a perfectly happy & well adjusted teenager as a result of his wonderful experience in the Criminal Justice System
A 1st world nation having a "Chief Censor" is an abomination in a 21st century democracy
Funny how you quote something without reading it.
The bit you quoted clearly states that there is more to this than reported.
Before you deride the whole decision perhaps take into account that you probably don't know all the facts or context?As for no censorship at all? Nah, don't think so. Some laws are in place for a reason.
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@Crucial said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Jaguares4real said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@SammyC said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Rembrandt said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
A child guilty of possessing a video before possessing that video was a crime. Already has served 2 months in custody.
Hope we're all feeling safer.
There's quite a lot more to this story than the media are allowed to report.
From what I've heard from a few lawyers I know around town, the conviction is more than justified.
I think you still have a point, but perhaps that extends to the restrictions on the media reporting rather than the actual conviction.
How progressive of NZ to charge and criminalise teenagers for a video
Even more progressive to remand a teenager in prison for 2 months for a fecking video
He'll be a perfectly happy & well adjusted teenager as a result of his wonderful experience in the Criminal Justice System
A 1st world nation having a "Chief Censor" is an abomination in a 21st century democracy
Funny how you quote something without reading it.
The bit you quoted clearly states that there is more to this than reported.
Before you deride the whole decision perhaps take into account that you probably don't know all the facts or context?As for no censorship at all? Nah, don't think so. Some laws are in place for a reason.
Argue the degree of censorship by all means, but do so with the facts in front of you when using an example.I read the article in its entirety
Please inform this non Kiwi of the need for a "Chief Censor" in a 21st Century democracy?
What facts am I missing?
A 16 year kid was arrested, charged & remanded in prsion for 2 months for possessing a video He's not a murderer rapist paedophile...
What else can he do with a video? Share it amongst his peers, put it on social media
Heaven forbid there're no other website/forums that already have the video Oh shit there is Reddit 4Chan 8Chan etc
All I have so far is a 2nd hand account from a bunch of lawyers who can't say much You don't need Censorship when you self censor yourself
This nonsense would not be tolerated in UK USA and most of Europe
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@Jaguares4real are you advocating for no censorship at all?
Those countries that you hold up as good examples are oft held up as having over reaching censorship.
Do your comments apply to say, child pornography? I mean if someone 'only had a video'. They didn't commit the crime.