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I’d say Netball NZ and ANZ handled this fairly well.
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Folau’s wife, the star netball player Maria, shared his plea for funds on her Instagram account but Netball New Zealand on Tuesday confirmed they would not take any action against her as she had not breached any of its policies.
The governing body said it “values inclusion and diversity across all areas of the community and our sport whether its gender, ethnicity, socio economic status, sexuality, religion, and we take responsibility as role models for young New Zealanders very seriously.
“We acknowledge that people have differing views and beliefs. It is important those opinions and views are expressed in constructive and respectful ways.”
ANZ, one of NZN’s major sponsors, said it did not share Maria’s views and that it had made its position known to the organisation.
“ANZ NZ believes in diversity and inclusion,” ANZ spokesman Stefan Herrick said. “But we will continue to support Netball NZ and the tens of thousands of participants and supporters of the game.”
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
right now it's the crazies of the left running wild. That might be difficult to swallow but I don't see how it can be disputed.
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
You may say the far left radicals that kick off these mobs are a minority, and you'd be right, but those lunatics have freaking way too much sway in society today.
Really? Some high profile evidence to the contrary below..
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@JC said in The Folau Factor:
I don’t think you get the point Major. Do you personally spend time with any born again evangelicals? Because if you do I doubt you would say that IF was “having a pop” at anybody. He’s not. He believes (and just to be clear, I don’t) that the Bible is amongst other things an instruction manual that tells everybody how hard it is to get to Heaven and what they need to avoid doing if they don’t want to go to Hell, which are both, it says, real places.
Further, he believes that his God demands that he takes responsibility for helping as many people as he can on the right path to the right place. He believes in “love” and “grace” in the biblical sense and doesn’t see his shepherding people (as he sees it) along a righteous path as an insult, but rather as a favour and a duty. It’s too simple to say he’s having a pop.
Now I think he’s deluded. But I don’t doubt that he believes, in good faith, that he doesn’t have a choice but to speak his truth. And he and his will also believe they are being persecuted for it. If you understand those two things you might realise why he and his supporters will take this all the way.
Well, I don't think I've disagreed with much of that. I've really no idea why you think I do. I'll only say two things.
- Just because Folau doesn't think he's "having a pop" doesn't mean the other side necessarily has to think the same.
- If somebody tells me to "go to hell" in future, despite the ramblings on TSF, I'm still very confident they are trying to offend me. Not that I'll give a shit.
But overall, there's two reasons why I could never support the guy
- He has tattoo's. So he's either hypocritical or chooses which areas of community he think's needs his learnings
- Being gay is a not a choice. Having somebody tell you to choose to become straight in order to achieve a better standard of afterlife is fucked up thinking.
Each to their own.
Semantics just for a second.
He didn't tell anyone to "go to hell". I agree, that IS an insult.
He said they (well, most of us) would go to hell.
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
Um. Whatever.
Your going to hell for questioning me.
You're going to hell for the misuse of apostrophes.
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@Crucial said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
right now it's the crazies of the left running wild. That might be difficult to swallow but I don't see how it can be disputed.
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
You may say the far left radicals that kick off these mobs are a minority, and you'd be right, but those lunatics have freaking way too much sway in society today.
Really? Some high profile evidence to the contrary below..
That's hilarious. And what do you think enabled those guys to even get anywhere near where they are today? What might have been the catalyst? Hmmmmmm.
Farage reminds me that your lot are also engaged in that wonderful practice of milkshaking. Kindly endorsed by a large corporation.
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If you haven’t read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules For Radicals,” at least try to read a summary.
It was a bible when I was a punk rock leftie in university. As I got older, and hopefully a little wiser, it started to dawn on me some of my fellow foot soldiers were smug self-righteous hate-filled slugs who abandoned their principles regularly if it meant “winning” a battle. I didn’t want to be a “member” of that club and drifted out of it. And thankfully, being open to challenging dissident views helped formulate my thinking and break out of tribal orthodoxies.
All the same, it’s amazing how Alinsky’s manifesto has become the instruction manual of todays’ authoritarian left, even the ones who’ve never heard of him.
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@Crucial said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
right now it's the crazies of the left running wild. That might be difficult to swallow but I don't see how it can be disputed.
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
You may say the far left radicals that kick off these mobs are a minority, and you'd be right, but those lunatics have freaking way too much sway in society today.
Really? Some high profile evidence to the contrary below..
I'm not sure how that is evidence to the contrary? What have those people got to do with my points about outrage mobs, corporate virtual signaling and the subsequent effects on free speech?
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Well which is it?
“We do not support the views of Silver Fern Maria Folau and have made our views known to her employer Netball NZ,” ANZ media manager Stefan Herrick said in a statement.
“We value our partnership with Netball NZ and any suggestion we have tried to pressure them is absolutely incorrect,” he added.
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@Rembrandt I expect they can tell Netball NZ they do not support the views of Maria and leave it at that, meaning there has not been any pressure on them to do anything further, leaving NNZ to do what they feel is right (nothing or something)
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@Rembrandt said in The Folau Factor:
Well which is it?
“We do not support the views of Silver Fern Maria Folau and have made our views known to her employer Netball NZ,” ANZ media manager Stefan Herrick said in a statement.
“We value our partnership with Netball NZ and any suggestion we have tried to pressure them is absolutely incorrect,” he added.
Example 9756 of headline that doesn’t match the quote.
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The major sponsor goes out of their way to tell a sporting organisation that they don't like the views of one of their employees husband.
That is considerable pressure whether they want to admit it or not. Lets be honest Netball probably don't have sponsors lining up. Message would have been received loud and clear.
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@booboo said in The Folau Factor:
Exactly. We're supposed to take guidance, advice and morality lessons from these corporations?
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@JC said in The Folau Factor:
@Jaguares4real I think where you’ve gone wrong is thinking that there will be any winners in this. There won’t, you’ll end up with someone who looks like a reactionary dinosaur and an organisation that looks managerially incompetent. And a load of lawyers buying new boats.
I think you’re also going wrong in using terms like scorched earth. There’s no real malice here, just two sides that believe they’re right. And as with many situations where principle is involved, both parties have said things on the spur of the moment that they probably now regret, as they’ve reduced the opportunities to walk back some of the rhetoric and enable a graceful resolution.
Everybody loses. I’m not sure how that’s particularly entertaining or edifying. But that’s just me.
No real malice? Are you fucking joking??? How anyone could think there has been no real malice in this event is laughable.
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I think the strength of feeling has been competely misjudged form the beginning. Nobody actually really cared about the original tweet, if the media hadnt pounced it wouldnt have raised a ripple. But the some claimed to be offended.
Then it spiralled. It would ahve had been nipped in the bud at the very beginning with a bland criticism of his views by Aussie rugby. End of
But nooooooo
Instead we now have this. Alot of people have donated a lot of money in direct anger at Qantas and the ARU, this is a massive net negative for them. They responded to a lynch mob... and just created an much bigger one coming for them.What genius thought attacking someone for a religious belief was a winning strategy.
The ARU is rooted...and it is self inflicted. Idiots
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@Snowy said in The Folau Factor:
@booboo Pretty sure that he did that deliberately...
Well, I'm glad one person got it.
@Kirwan said in The Folau Factor:
This a difficult enough argument without introducing straw man arguments with stuff people have not said.
Couldn't agree more.
Sports requiring athletes to support cultural positions