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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
Thoughts?
"Imagine getting upset at someone for claiming the God you don’t believed in, said in the book you don’t read, that unless you repent of the sin you don’t care about, you will go to a place you don’t think exists."
Apologise if this has already been posted.
Obviously you have to consider vulnerable young Poly kids who are gay or struggling with their sexuality. But would Foolthou's tweets have been new info for them? I'd imagine they'd be painfully aware of this already.
Homophobe!
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@Bones said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
Thoughts?
"Imagine getting upset at someone for claiming the God you don’t believed in, said in the book you don’t read, that unless you repent of the sin you don’t care about, you will go to a place you don’t think exists."
Apologise if this has already been posted.
Obviously you have to consider vulnerable young Poly kids who are gay or struggling with their sexuality. But would Foolthou's tweets have been new info for them? I'd imagine they'd be painfully aware of this already.
Homophobe!
To clarify. I obviously meant painfully aware of his views or those of the more fundamentalist community.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel yeah plus heard in the church sermon, read in the bible, etc.
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Do we know, with any data, if the gay community actually were offended by the tweets, or does Alan Joyce speak for all homosexuals?
My gay cousin and his mate weren't triggered at all and they spent shitloads on a house across the street from Eden Park - so they're rugby.
That's 2
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@Siam Of my gay mates it's split evenly between, 'don't give a frick', 'what a dick' and 'which one is rugby again?'...now my straight gay ally friends were all about the petition to stop gofundme and have been quiet about it since those maybe premature celebrations.
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@Bones said in The Folau Factor:
@Siam @Rembrandt Anecdotal.
It's called 'lived' and @Baron-Silas-Greenback says it can't be used.
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We all live in a society that has norms and values, in theory our laws will be influenced by these. As norms and values change the laws will eventually follow. Many laws have reflected religious sins such as adultery and homosexuality. In many countries people are still arrested and even killed for these "sins".
Thankfully in western cultures views have changed dramatically, don't forget homosexuality in Tasmania was still illegal as late as 1997. Now a short 22 years later gay people can marry and have as much sex as they like.
I believe what Folau stands for is an outdated cultural view that is no longer accepted. I think the outrage is not because he is a Christian but because as a society we no longer tolerate any hateful or discriminatory speech(even if its in the bible) towards homosexuals.
I believe slavery and segregation of blacks was accepted by the church and believers found passages in the bible to support this. Once society no longer tolerated slavery people eventually stopped spreading these views even though it was once supported by the church.
I believe homosexuality is heading down the same path, that is even though it maybe in the bible as a sin, society will not tolerate any discrimination against homosexuals. This is probably the reason nearly every other christian footy player isn't posting "gays go to hell" on their social media posts.
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@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
We all live in a society that has norms and values, in theory our laws will be influenced by these. As norms and values change the laws will eventually follow. Many laws have reflected religious sins such as adultery and homosexuality. In many countries people are still arrested and even killed for these "sins".
Thankfully in western cultures views have changed dramatically, don't forget homosexuality in Tasmania was still illegal as late as 1997. Now a short 22 years later gay people can marry and have as much sex as they like.
I believe what Folau stands for is an outdated cultural view that is no longer accepted. I think the outrage is not because he is a Christian but because as a society we no longer tolerate any hateful or discriminatory speech(even if its in the bible) towards homosexuals.
I believe slavery and segregation of blacks was accepted by the church and believers found passages in the bible to support this. Once society no longer tolerated slavery people eventually stopped spreading these views even though it was once supported by the church.
I believe homosexuality is heading down the same path, that is even though it maybe in the bible as a sin, society will not tolerate any discrimination against homosexuals. This is probably the reason nearly every other christian footy player isn't posting "gays go to hell" on their social media posts.
Gee I think bringing slavery into it is a bit much. It should also be mentioned that religious doctrine played a part in ending slavery as well. But regardless, it's been mentioned numerous times now that he doesn't just think gays are going to hell. He thinks pretty much all of us are all going to hell. I'm certainly going to hell apparently. Last night I drank, fornicated, gambled and I'm sure as fuck not going to church on Sunday morning. My wife died a committed atheist. She's going to hell too according to Foolmouth. Now I can choose to get all upset about that or not give a shit. I choose to not give a shit because what Fooltool says has zero bearing on my life and if anything I can't help but feel sorry for someone who is so demented in the head that he crosses himself every night and lives his life in fear of eternal damnation. For every tweet like that from Foolcow there are probably a million supporting gay rights. His opinions should be ignored and the only time the press or anybody reports on him it should be when he's actually done the one thing he actually contributes to the world, and that's catch a rugby ball. And in the end, he's not owning human beings as property, he just sent out a fucking tweet.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
Gee I think bringing slavery into it is a bit much. It should also be mentioned that religious doctrine played a part in ending slavery as well.
I think it is a very good example to use, slavery was very much a part of early religion and I believe early religious text covers slaves as property and the ability to beat them until near death etc. It wasn't until society started changing that Religion changed with it. The same has happened with woman rights.
I cannot recall seeing Folau posting these versus, would it be ok if he posted all woman should obey their husbands in the name of the lord?
"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Saviour."
Ephesians 5: 22-23
"Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness I permit no woman to teach or have authority over a man; rather, she is to remain silent."
1 Timothy 2: 11-12Society no longer tolerates domestic violence or mens dominance over woman and as such the churches views have changed.
Whilst his words have no impact on you it does on many religious people. Many men still beat their wives because they believe the bible says they can. If Folau continues his promotion of homosexuality as a sin some Christians will discriminate and hate against gays because it is a sin in the bible. This is how discrimination spreads. Yes it was just a tweet but words are often how wars start and I for one do not believe he should be sprouting this outdated and antiquated belief.
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@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
Gee I think bringing slavery into it is a bit much. It should also be mentioned that religious doctrine played a part in ending slavery as well.
I think it is a very good example to use, slavery was very much a part of early religion and I believe early religious text covers slaves as property and the ability to beat them until near death etc. It wasn't until society started changing that Religion changed with it. The same has happened with woman rights.
I cannot recall seeing Folau posting these versus, would it be ok if he posted all woman should obey their husbands in the name of the lord?
"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Saviour."
Ephesians 5: 22-23
"Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness I permit no woman to teach or have authority over a man; rather, she is to remain silent."
1 Timothy 2: 11-12Society no longer tolerates domestic violence or mens dominance over woman and as such the churches views have changed.
Whilst his words have no impact on you it does on many religious people. Many men still beat their wives because they believe the bible says they can. If Folau continues his promotion of homosexuality as a sin some Christians will discriminate and hate against gays because it is a sin in the bible. This is how discrimination spreads. Yes it was just a tweet but words are often how wars start and I for one do not believe he should be sprouting this outdated and antiquated belief.
Yeah see that's where your understanding of Fonghow's religion is all wrong. He's not advocating or preaching hate against anyone. He's not telling people to discriminate or persecute. Will his tweet lead to discrimination and hate against people who drink alcohol, people who have sex outside of marriage, atheists etc? Is that going to lead to a war? This is getting ridiculous. The guy is a clown and should have been professional enough to refrain from tweeting stuff like that, but the way some people are going on you'd think he'd committed some kind of atrocity.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
We all live in a society that has norms and values, in theory our laws will be influenced by these. As norms and values change the laws will eventually follow. Many laws have reflected religious sins such as adultery and homosexuality. In many countries people are still arrested and even killed for these "sins".
Thankfully in western cultures views have changed dramatically, don't forget homosexuality in Tasmania was still illegal as late as 1997. Now a short 22 years later gay people can marry and have as much sex as they like.
I believe what Folau stands for is an outdated cultural view that is no longer accepted. I think the outrage is not because he is a Christian but because as a society we no longer tolerate any hateful or discriminatory speech(even if its in the bible) towards homosexuals.
I believe slavery and segregation of blacks was accepted by the church and believers found passages in the bible to support this. Once society no longer tolerated slavery people eventually stopped spreading these views even though it was once supported by the church.
I believe homosexuality is heading down the same path, that is even though it maybe in the bible as a sin, society will not tolerate any discrimination against homosexuals. This is probably the reason nearly every other christian footy player isn't posting "gays go to hell" on their social media posts.
Last night I drank, fornicated, gambled
Now that is a good night!!
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@Crucial said in The Folau Factor:
@Bones said in The Folau Factor:
@Siam @Rembrandt Anecdotal.
It's called 'lived' and @Baron-Silas-Greenback says it can't be used.
Oh you can use it. It makes it clear who cannot accept that their evidence is just anecdotal and must use a different phrase. Lived experience lol
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@booboo said in The Folau Factor:
@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
gay people can marry and have as much sex as they like.
So gay people do marriage differently?
Based on that evidence fool ow is dead wrong. Married gay couples are going to heaven more than the straight ones!
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@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
Gee I think bringing slavery into it is a bit much. It should also be mentioned that religious doctrine played a part in ending slavery as well.
I think it is a very good example to use, slavery was very much a part of early religion and I believe early religious text covers slaves as property and the ability to beat them until near death etc. It wasn't until society started changing that Religion changed with it. The same has happened with woman rights.
I cannot recall seeing Folau posting these versus, would it be ok if he posted all woman should obey their husbands in the name of the lord?
"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Saviour."
Ephesians 5: 22-23
"Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness I permit no woman to teach or have authority over a man; rather, she is to remain silent."
1 Timothy 2: 11-12Society no longer tolerates domestic violence or mens dominance over woman and as such the churches views have changed.
Whilst his words have no impact on you it does on many religious people. Many men still beat their wives because they believe the bible says they can. If Folau continues his promotion of homosexuality as a sin some Christians will discriminate and hate against gays because it is a sin in the bible. This is how discrimination spreads. Yes it was just a tweet but words are often how wars start and I for one do not believe he should be sprouting this outdated and antiquated belief.
Your argument is well meaning but shallow. Unfortunately it’s pretty standard for those of us who want to force a secular mindset onto religious minds.
The claim that churches’ views have changed is way too general. The Church of England has changed its views, well its official views, on many things. But internally it is being ripped apart by divisions, with many dioceses outside Europe on the brink of leaving over the very issue of equality for women. And that is probably the most liberal Christian church on the planet. Many of the fundamentalist churches consider the mainstream churches to be heretical in their watered down and selective interpretations of the Bible. Don’t think for a moment that there is a consensual acceptance amongst Christians on that matter or any other.
You’re also conflating things discussed in the Bible with things that are sins. There is certainly guidance in the Bible (as there is too in the Koran and the Torah) about matters such as you mention, and modern society can’t agree with it. But the Bible doesn’t venture an opinion on slavery or dominance over women being sins. It specifically does though on the categories mentioned by Folau’s tweet. He, and you don’t seem to get this, doesn’t say that he thinks those people are bad, he says that God has said categorically that they will go to Hell.
As with most of this stuff, the origin is the Catholic Church., which was in many respects the original version of Christianity from which all the others have sprung. They enumerated the mortal sins, and their basis in “gravity” over millennia, about 30 or so from memory. All the multiple sects and denominations that have arisen since have to some degree adopted and adapted the original precepts of the Catholics, and many of them hold on strongly to the original interpretations, believing that the divergence from them is the result of Satan at work. We may not like that they hang onto what we believe are outdated and offensive beliefs but they are allowed to do so.
For the time being.
I’m not a fan of religion but I am much less of a fan of any attempts to regulate it because I fundamentally mistrust the type of tools you’d have to use to do that.
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I am really enjoying that this has brought Christianity into the open and it’s being ridiculed for the con it is.
Fighting a battle that’s hopefully destroying it’s chances of getting a new generation onboard.
Now we need some progressive country to set off a worldwide push to tax the c###•ts
Sports requiring athletes to support cultural positions