Windows 10

Chris B.

I've no doubt that you can set up windows 8.1 to be entirely reasonable - but the default settings are of an "I know best" arrogant bastard who I don't want to work with as much as smack in the face.
 
Overall, it reflects my view of the popular rumour that Microsoft hires the best hackers to develop their programmes. If true, the people developing Microsoft software are people high on my list of fuckers deserving slow and painful execution - if I ever meet an MS employee I'm inclined to smack him or her in the face on suspicion! 
 
Fuck you, Microsoft!

Tim

Ah, old people and computers. It's funny until they get a root-kit.

NTA

Windows 7 was the best thing since XP came along, and I had trouble getting happy with Win8.1 but had no choice as it was the only OS available when I bought a few months back.
 
So when I'm on leave in a few weeks, hopefully I'll have the go-ahead from MS to install 10, and I can swear at it for a few days before I need it for work.

Hooroo

Genuine question.
 
Does Apple stuff have to worry about this? All our gear at home is Apple. iMac I think it is called (a desk top in anycase) two ipads and a couple of iphones.
 
Is this the equivelent of going to IOS8 or whatever? I can't ever remember upgrading the desktop like I do with phone and ipads

JC

An iMac with a recent version of OS X will keep itself up to date in terms of apps bought through the Apple app store, and incremental updates. You can control how it does it just like Win8.1 can, but you do it through
 
System Preferences > App Store:
 
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then select the options you want. By default they're all selected:
 
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In practice it's very similar to how Windows does it.

Hooroo

Sweet! Thanks

JC

Just to be clear though Hooroo, the Mac won't upgrade to an entire new OS version without you asking it to. Only the updates within any particular version are automated.

dogmeat

So far Windows 10 seems a significant improvement.
 
Its a far more intuitive interface and lets you choose which shell you are most comfortable with.
 
Like all the best MS upgrades it has "adopted' some of the look and feel of its competitors best features, but that's what they all do.
 
I'm definitely old (at least compared to the majority of you young whippersnappers) but I find it easy to navigate, but then I managed W8 OK too

canefan

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So far Windows 10 seems a significant improvement.
 
Its a far more intuitive interface and lets you choose which shell you are most comfortable with.
 
Like all the best MS upgrades it has "adopted' some of the look and feel of its competitors best features, but that's what they all do.
 
I'm definitely old (at least compared to the majority of you young whippersnappers) but I find it easy to navigate, but then I managed W8 OK too
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Have you used 7? Is it as good or better than that?

dogmeat

Different - early days not worse

canefan

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Different - early days not worse
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Think I'll leave my W7 machine and upgrade my W8 first

NTA

Well, the day is here - Win10 is finally ready to update.
 
But like I said: I'm in the middle of a shitload of work so FUCK that guy.

Baron Silas Greenback

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I've no doubt that you can set up windows 8.1 to be entirely reasonable - but the default settings are of an "I know best" arrogant bastard who I don't want to work with as much as smack in the face.
 
Overall, it reflects my view of the popular rumour that Microsoft hires the best hackers to develop their programmes. If true, the people developing Microsoft software are people high on my list of fuckers deserving slow and painful execution - if I ever meet an MS employee I'm inclined to smack him or her in the face on suspicion! :)
 
Fuck you, Microsoft!
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I used to work for Microsoft.
 
So go fuck yourself, personally I want to punch the retarded spastics who think that developing enterprise level systems and OP's that cater for the vast majority of corporate systems ... whilst keeping them secure is some sort of easy task. Microsoft don't have the luxury of Android and Apple of knowing that hackers just generally just cannot bothered hacking them... juicier and more rewarding targets abound.
 
Generally the usual suspects who whine and bitch about Microsoft products are Apple and Android fan boys who just dont have the first fucking clue.. and dont even realise they are fan boys, yet still seem to think that Google and Apple are little boutique companies fighting against the big baddies.
Microsoft has hacker challenges that Apple and Android will likely never face, mainly as the systems they run are actually worth hacking.
 
Android is particularly bad, anyone that defends Android as either safe or reliable.. let alone easily upgradeable... is a twat. Android is cheap... Android might rationally considered to be simple to operate by some... but safe and reliable.. no way.
I like Apple as company, even own shares in them, they are genius.. not so much at technology.. but the marketing is genius. 
 
I currently write Apps for all 3 platforms at once... using Xamarin forms. And without any doubt in my mind the best is Windows phone.. except some glaring holes around blue tooth and some other stuff. But in ease of development, stability of platform and general common sense.. it is MILES ahead. Then Apple.. and Android.. well fuck Android.. (I do like Intents though.. tidy).
 
As for security... Windows again is waaaaaaaay ahead. Android is to open, Apple is to closed.. and you need to be a clever bastard to figure how to change that. Windows.... not so much.
 
I am not sure what will happen in the next 3-5 years.. but I think Unified apps of Windows 10 is potentially a game changer. Add the fact that those universal apps will not only run on Phones, Tablets, Xbox and PC's and Hololens .. and also potentially easily port over Android and Apple Apps... this could be massive. And that ignores dev companies like Xamarin that make writing apps for Windows, Apple and Android at the same time.. and things might change.. and change fast.
 
Currently it is the supply of Wndows phones in NZ that is the issue, my company wanted to use them, we couldn't get enough high spec ones, so went with an Android version, the telco's just don't push them at all.
 
Surface 3 has already made significant corporate inroads. It is a beauty.
 
P.S Go fuck yourself Bar :)

Baron Silas Greenback

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Windows 10 seems good so far. Upgraded my home PC from 8.1 but I hardly do anything on it, mainly just used as a media server at the moment. Quicker and definitely easier to use, start menu looks good. 
As an aside, had my first go with a windows phone yesterday...could they make it any less intuitive? What a fucking nightmare to use or try change any simple configuration.
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Not intuitive? Meaning you have used a previous phone and after one day with a different phone you don't know it as well as the one you had for years?
After using all 3 brands to a quite in depth level, I think they are all pretty intuitive. Takes time with all of them, especially if you are swapping smartphone for smartphone.

NTA

Microsoft's push for Windows 10 could be the missing link for their mobile suite. But they're way behind at this point so it will need to be a compelling argument. 
I've been a supporter of Windows since XP, excluding the abortion that was Vista. 
The vendor whose API product we're using all have Macbooks. I asked why not a single one of them had Windows: "couldn't get the tools we need to work" so I set about proving them wrong. Then i took the time to show off the features and software I had access to under Windows, that no one would bother developing for Apple.

Chris B.

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P.S Go fuck yourself Bar :)
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Yeah - Bar can go fuck himself! :)
 
You can too! :)
 
If you worked for Microsoft - are you an ex-hacker? If so, I may have to come to one of these Fern reunions just to fuck you up. Are you as big as Hooroo claims to be? If so, I might have to bring a baseball bat.
 
Now seriously - what the fuck is it with Microsoft? They release software that does EXACTLY the same fucking thing - but, they rename the commands and hide them in different fucking places - and claim that's a revolution. It is just a monopoly exercising their c*ntishness. So fuck them.
 
I do not give a flying fuck about Apple and Android - I have neither - especially after I lost my phone in Singapore Airport last week.
 
I am someone who has to run my own business using Microsoft software and every time they change it they are sabotaging me for minor gains to me but to maximise their own profit. 
 
Yes - I can doubtless run all of them - but, it's costing me money - at both ends.

Bones

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="507823" data-time="1439372548">Not intuitive? Meaning you have used a previous phone and after one day with a different phone you don't know it as well as the one you had for years? 
After using all 3 brands to a quite in depth level, I think they are all pretty intuitive. Takes time with all of them, especially if you are swapping smartphone for smartphone.</blockquote>
Nah meaning all I wanted to do was figure out why WhatsApp wasn't notifying and turn that on. What a nightmare process.

Hooroo

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Yeah - Bar can go fuck himself! :)
 
You can too! :)
 
If you worked for Microsoft - are you an ex-hacker? If so, I may have to come to one of these Fern reunions just to fuck you up. Are you as big as Hooroo claims to be? If so, I might have to bring a baseball bat.
 
Now seriously - what the fuck is it with Microsoft? They release software that does EXACTLY the same fucking thing - but, they rename the commands and hide them in different fucking places - and claim that's a revolution. It is just a monopoly exercising their c*ntishness. So fuck them.
 
I do not give a flying fuck about Apple and Android - I have neither - especially after I lost my phone in Singapore Airport last week.
 
I am someone who has to run my own business using Microsoft software and every time they change it they are sabotaging me for minor gains to me but to maximise their own profit. 
 
Yes - I can doubtless run all of them - but, it's costing me money - at both ends.
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Big difference between big and fat..... you'd just need a chicken wing to take me down!
 
BSG on the otherhand, that is a different story....

Chris B.

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Ah, old people and computers....
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Hooroo - if he's too big I'll run the fecker down with my mobility scooter and beat what's left with my walking stick.

Kirwan

Windows 10 has been good. I preferred 7, and downgraded from 8 to use it as my daily driver.
 
This has the best bits of 7 and 8, and incredibly the required specs to run is the same as 7. That is a serious achievement, and means there is no reason not to upgrade, even if your computers is 6/7 years old. 
 
The upgrade was painless (its best to wait until it prompts you to upgrade, that means your PC is less likely to have issues). Only thing I had to re-install was some work related software. 
 
Now that's windows as a service, it's worth getting the free upgrade (you have a year) and getting improvements as they come out. Last "big" release of windows.

The Silver Fern

Windows 10