TRC: Pumas v All Blacks
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@gt12 said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
16:30: Sort of attends one breakdown
21:26: Inspects a ruck
28:05: Joins/inspects ruck (4th man there)
40:15: Tries to win the ball but misses, then inspects the ruck.Outstanding work.
If we need a Clouseau impersonator for the World Cup then Inspector Fifita would be perfect. As an all-action blindside flanker in the Jerry Collins/ Jerome Kaino manner not so much.
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@gt12 said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
11:06: High tackle and is penalized – then takes no part in any of the defence against the Argie attack on our line – is also unseen in the next break out which leads to a penalty
43:21: Steals a line out jumping at 2 then stations himself on the wing – conspicuous by his absence during the next 30 seconds as we try to get going
I didn’t see one dominant tackle from Fifita – in fact, he is hardly in the middle of the field – usually spending most of his time on the wings. He had one good period were he made two good cleans, but apart from that and one good steal, he’s hardly involved.
Furthermore, he puts himself into positions to be influential – following the play more and putting himself one of the ruck – something Fifita almost never does. Furthermore, I saw three good cleans and one ruckAwesome post GT.
I've cherrypicked a couple of your interrelated points.
It's potentially tough to accuse him of not being involved if he is sticking to the pattern and being where the coaches want him.
I'm not privy to the game plan but if they want him on the wing and the ball doesn't come to him he's doing his job. Similar if he is holding his position in the defensive pattern.
The more important point is how effective is he when he is involved.
Seems that last point is the real question mark.
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@Chester-Draws said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rembrandt said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Chester-Draws said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rembrandt said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Well I enjoyed that, first game of the year missing a number of stars against an Argie side who are no longer pushovers at home, it was always going to be close.
Bit rusty in execution but overall I think we did reasonably well. BB was great as too Savea and Retallick. Scrum held up well. Good to see Coles and Cane back. Jordie had a few errors but definitely worth persevering with for his boot and potential with his height. Newbies weren't over awed and gained some valuable close test match experience. Thought Gardner controlled the game beautifully, great communication with his assistants and let the game flow without missing much.
We'll be a lot better next game, Puma's are going to rue this missed opportunity for a long time, especially Sanchez missing that last penalty.
Is this one giant Poe? "did reasonably well"? "a few errors"? "potential with his height"?
What we saw was dreck -- a bad game plan, a lot of stupid penalties when not even under pressure, dropped ball, passes to no-one, some dodgy lineouts.
No, the Pumas haven't got better. You have to go back to 2006 to find the last time they were within a score of winning the game, and in our last few games against them we have won by about 20 points. We were one missed tackle in the corner away from losing that game.
I reckon 13 Super rugby final starters means something.
Yep and I also reckon we'll see Jordie the giraffe become a key AB in years to come. If only we could put money on future AB starters.
And yet when the Warratahs and Reds won, was that a sign the Wallabies were getting better?
And I'm in the group that doesn't see anything much in Jordie. Even if he does become key, he's not ready for it yet.
Jordie is actually a 12. Don't think I've mentioned that before.
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Not sure how this wasn't a card:
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Yeah, I should have pointed out that he does seem to position himself according to some plan. The problem is that even then he doesn’t put in much effort - it was a bit much to add, but he tends to be wide, but not chase. To be two off the ruck, not one off the ruck. On an opposition kick, he’ll turn and run back to a position - often directly backwards. Honestly, he looks lazy - he’s in the position he should be, but he’s like a winger who never goes looking for work.
Interestingly Jacobson was a bit like that for the first minute or so - particularly staying left early. But, he then started roving more, and when he was close to the action he’d put himself in a position to influence play - either as a pillar or one off the ruck - far more likely to be involved. Even better, he made his tackles, and they were mostly dominant. Originally I thought he looked quite Readish (early plating at 6 Read), but it’s also a bit Masoeish - especially the way he made a tackle, jumped up and attached the ball like 7. That’s a skill that Paps has too, and I’m a fan. I could see him being a good Cane/Read replacement - either way I’m sure he’ll get more black shirts, but perhaps not this year because I think he’s competing with Paps while Frizzel is against Fifita and maybe Hemopo (who’s really against Barrett).
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Chester-Draws said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rembrandt said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Chester-Draws said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rembrandt said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Well I enjoyed that, first game of the year missing a number of stars against an Argie side who are no longer pushovers at home, it was always going to be close.
Bit rusty in execution but overall I think we did reasonably well. BB was great as too Savea and Retallick. Scrum held up well. Good to see Coles and Cane back. Jordie had a few errors but definitely worth persevering with for his boot and potential with his height. Newbies weren't over awed and gained some valuable close test match experience. Thought Gardner controlled the game beautifully, great communication with his assistants and let the game flow without missing much.
We'll be a lot better next game, Puma's are going to rue this missed opportunity for a long time, especially Sanchez missing that last penalty.
Is this one giant Poe? "did reasonably well"? "a few errors"? "potential with his height"?
What we saw was dreck -- a bad game plan, a lot of stupid penalties when not even under pressure, dropped ball, passes to no-one, some dodgy lineouts.
No, the Pumas haven't got better. You have to go back to 2006 to find the last time they were within a score of winning the game, and in our last few games against them we have won by about 20 points. We were one missed tackle in the corner away from losing that game.
I reckon 13 Super rugby final starters means something.
Yep and I also reckon we'll see Jordie the giraffe become a key AB in years to come. If only we could put money on future AB starters.
And yet when the Warratahs and Reds won, was that a sign the Wallabies were getting better?
And I'm in the group that doesn't see anything much in Jordie. Even if he does become key, he's not ready for it yet.
Jordie is actually a 12. Don't think I've mentioned that before.
Then he's fourth in line, at best, and shouldn't be anywhere near the current AB squad.
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@Tim said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Not sure how this wasn't a card:
Looks bad - no arms at the very least. I'm guessing there are no better replays of the shot?
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@Tim said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Held scoreless for the last 40 minutes by the 10th ranked team in the world. Played exactly the same as last year. No improvement in the last 18 months. Wayne Smith is sorely missed.
World Rankings mean fuck all
Who even knows 1-10 team w/o from memory All I know is NZ is #1 & Wales #2I only know Wales were 2nd due to some fools blabbering about Wales moving to #1 if Los Pumas beat NZ by 15+ points which was never going to happen
Moreover you're going to look better when you play teams like Scotland Italy & France
Los Pumas will continue to improve by playing Super Rugby and in the TRC Iron sharpens Iron and ARG will be better for it in the long termSky Commentators banging on how ABs were going to step up the intensity and blow the Pumas away in last 20 mins
2019 is a new age lads ARG finished stronger and were just as fit and physical as NZABs are the gold standard but are likely to be a much weaker side in 2020 & 2021 Josh Ioane was lucky enough to get a free Holiday to ARG & carry tackle bags & water bottles for a week
He'll be waching the RWC on TVLos Pumas will be soon ready to start beating TRC on a more regular basis
AUS are
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@chimoaus said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Anyone surprised with how many times they used Jacobsen in the lineout. I wonder if there was a direction from Shag to use him to see how he went, and he seemed to go fine to me. The man can tackle and he jumps in the lineout, I wonder if its worth giving him more time at 6.
Jacobson has always been a secure lineout option for Waikato, Chiefs, etc.
9 tackles (0 misses) in 23 minutes is impressive compared to the rest of the forwards relative to time on the field.
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@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Noguera Paz is out of favour atm
AFAIK he was 3rd choice LH prop at Bath Rugby last year behind Obano + Van Rooyun
Not played for Pumas since Nov 2017
You might find this interesting: http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2018/09/19/argentinas-ongoing-search-for-loose-head-prop/
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Watched on run (lots of fast forward).
Fairly disorganised AB display.
Thought Ritchie M and Crusaders handled rush defence much better than BB/NL. Don't think Ngani adds much as a second pair of eyes to Beaudy.
Loved BBBR at the end laying down the law and shoving AB pups into place.
Expect six changes in AB pack for Boks.
Assuming RC is injured I'd LIKE to see ALB at 12.
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@pakman said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Noguera Paz is out of favour atm
AFAIK he was 3rd choice LH prop at Bath Rugby last year behind Obano + Van Rooyun
Not played for Pumas since Nov 2017
You might find this interesting: http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2018/09/19/argentinas-ongoing-search-for-loose-head-prop/
Good article
Paul Tait is a good resource for all things Lo Pumas
The constant shuffling of Tetaz Chappero & Noguero Paz from LH to TH prop has been awful
Hopefully with emergence of Mayco Vivas he might be the long term solution Just turned 21 and completed his 1st season of Super Rugby
Medrano as well is only 23 so they're very young for props Might take until 2023 for them to mature and wise up to prop position
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Assuming Squire is not available for the next couple of weeks, do they try out someone like Papalii or go with the safer option of Frizell/Barrett? They already know what Frizell and Barrett can do, I think it would be a good opportunity to give Paps a go and see if he has what it takes at six.
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@gt12 Great write-up; also agree with @booboo 's comment. Just one comment from me about the stats used. I have compared the stats provided by Rugbypass, ESPN, SANZAAR and NZH (these come from OPTA), and Rugbypass is the clear outlier. I don't recommend using them. Overall, the SANZAAR stats and NZH/OPTA stats generally correspond with each other, and - with a few exceptions - ESPN, too. So I'd recommend the SANZAAR stats, because they're the most easily accessible.
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After reading the thread, I’m warming to the thought of giving ardie, Sam and read a go, and I’m not bothered by who wears what numbers,
Without that specialist dominant incumbent 6 we have become accustomed to, think there is a good argument for just getting your best players out on the park
