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<p><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Polling Cali, NY and Texas is pointless. </span>If a Republican is to win then they must win Texas and a Democrat must win the first two states. As for Florida, the polling I have seen shows they seem to like Bush and Rubio and don't know much about anyone else.</p>
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<p>The "open" electoral-rich states where the vote is competitive (Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan) are the states I want to know about, because that's where the election pivots. California will vote blue and Texas will vote red, regardless the candidate. I still like polling in California and Texas for no other reason to get an idea of drift, and if numbers in those states tighten, that should be news. But I want to know where the election will be decided, like FL in 2000. News media should be providing information and analysis in the numbers, but they are mostly disinterested and just want to repeat national polling numbers over-and-over. That's the beginning, middle and end point for most of them. Silver is right about the margin of errors between national poll numbers and electoral college not being much at this point, mostly on point because it's so early (he wrote that in May). Election season kicks in after this weekend (Labor Day), summer's over, back to work and 14 months to go.</p> -
<p>The rise of Trump hasn't peaked yet.</p>
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<p>Last night Trump gave a very long unscripted speech in a packed arena to a crowd of 20,000-or-so in Dallas. I watched it so that you didn't have to. </p>
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<p>No prepared speech. He just freestyled for over an hour telling the crowd how rich & successful he is, how much money he makes, how his hair is real, boasting about his "monster TV ratings," and reminding everyone how big of a loser Mitt Romney was. Next to no policy talk, but he did say nice things about Arnold Schwarzenegger taking over his hosting duties on Celebrity Apprentice. Crowd lapped it up. </p>
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<p>I suspect many Americans are starved for- and love his "no teleprompter" approach.</p>
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<p>Whereas Hillary is looking overly stiff & stage-managed. Her appeal with women voters has plummeted almost thirty percent the past few weeks, and now she's on the stump in Iowa attacking Trump's "respect" (or supposed lack-thereof) for women that only serves to remind most Americans about her hubby Bill's "bimbo eruptions."</p>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">“Hillary Clinton is reaching out to that group that she had always counted on, white women voters, who are now abandoning her in droves during the last two months,†(NBC Andrea) Mitchell reported.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">Clinton has spent the past few weeks doing everything possible to court women voters, even going so far as to seek out women-owned businesses to grab lunch. “This after seeing her support among white women in one new poll go from 71% in July to just 42% now, a 29% drop in only eight weeks as Clinton has been hammered with questions about her private emails,†Mitchell noted.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">Mitchell, one of the few hard news reporters to have interviewed the candidate so far, noted that <strong><span style="color:#ff0000;">Clinton is reaching out to women by doing “softer interviews,†including talking to Mario Lopez about meeting Kim Kardashian.</span></strong></span></div>
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<div><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.mediaite.com/tv/andrea-mitchell-white-women-abandoning-hillary-clinton-in-droves/'>http://www.mediaite.com/tv/andrea-mitchell-white-women-abandoning-hillary-clinton-in-droves/</a></div>
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<p>One good thing about Trump is that hopefully it encourages the other candidates to be less robotic and formulaic. Hillary is probably the worst at that. She seems to have changed a bit and done some unscripted interviews now but that is only because of the rise of Sanders.</p>
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<p>It would great to avoid seeing people like Mitt Romney have to pretend to be "conservative" stereotypes during the primaries.</p>
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<p>Cue the inevitable insider-y anonymously-sourced Politico commentary:</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"> <span style="font-size:24px;">Can Romney Save Us From Trump?</span>
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<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxima-nova', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><strong>Why GOP poohbahs are seriously thinking about asking Mitt back into the race</strong></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxima-nova', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">In a tastefully furnished conference room somewhere in the nation’s capital, leaders of the GOP establishment are popping antacids and shaking their heads. Donald Trump is the face of their party now — and there’s no stopping him.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxima-nova', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">[...]</span><br>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxima-nova', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Read more: </span><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/mitt-romney-enter-race-save-gop-from-trump-213145#ixzz3lrNRH8oj'>http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/mitt-romney-enter-race-save-gop-from-trump-213145#ixzz3lrNRH8oj</a></p>
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<p>I actually quite like Romney, the shame of last time was he had to move right & say stupid stuff to get the nomination - for example he did Omabacare correctly & well & then had to pretend he hated the idea.</p>
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<p>Romney is a ridiculously wealthy Mormon from Boston. Try selling that to the voters. But I agree, he's an impressive guy.</p>
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<p>This thing with Trump is no longer a joke. A Trump/Carsen ticket? I love Carson's story, but his views on creationism are very disturbing.</p>
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<p>What I've been floored by is how incredibly uninspiring J. Bush is. I presumed a popular Florida governor would have a least some charisma, but damn that guy is dull.</p> -
<p>GOP debate tonight lasted 3 hrs 13 minutes. First hour was everybody vs. Donald. Last couple hours was mostly crazed red meat idiocy about war, terrorism, who would be tougher facing down Iran and Putin, which candidate was the most like Reagan, and surprisingly, reefer madness. In his limited time, it was left to Rand Paul to attempt pointing out their contradictory policy positions on military missions in the Mid-East and waging the war on drugs at home. You'd have believed he had horns growing out of his head the way they were looking him. When each candidate was asked what the first thing they would do as president, no fewer than four of them mentioned their first priority is calling Bibi and repairing diplomatic ties with Israel.</p>
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<p>Last night Trump gave a very long unscripted speech in a packed arena to a crowd of 20,000-or-so in Dallas.</p>
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<p>Genuine question - but who seriously has time to go to one of these things? It just seems a bizarre way to spend a weekday evening.</p>
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<p>Wonder what Al Gore is up to...</p>
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<p>Trump is now come out as an anti vaccer <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/72177249/Donald-Trump-catches-the-anti-vaccine-bug'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/72177249/Donald-Trump-catches-the-anti-vaccine-bug</a></p>
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<p>Playing to the audience there.</p>
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<p>It was a pretty interesting call, his big chaser at the moment (during the no one gives a fuck phase) is Ben Carson, so he tosses that one at Carson knowing half the mentals in the Republican party will freak when Carson, as he had to, says "thats bullshit"</p>
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Its not appropriate for this thread. except that Trump brought the topic up. And posters responded to it<br><br>
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My wife is currently involved in a drug trial with those horrible bastards known as "Big Pharma" you stupid, ignorant fuckwit. It will hopefully save her life. But yeah, maybe we should go for natural remedies. That worked a fucking treat for Steve Jobs didn't it. <br><br>
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?<br><br>
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<p>My wife is currently involved in a drug trial with those horrible bastards known as "Big Pharma" you stupid, ignorant fuckwit. It will hopefully save her life. But yeah, maybe we should go for natural remedies. That worked a fucking treat for Steve Jobs didn't it.<br><br>
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?<br><br>
Sorry for derailing Tim, but this isn't funny anymore.</p>
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<p>But what is the issue then. I'm not saying big Pharma should be banned. Or your wife should not have access to these drugs. Or that vaccines should not be free still. Or that I do not take drugs when I have a tooth for eg pulled out</p>
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<p>Yep, for all the supposed toxins and conspiracies out there, we're somehow living a damn sight longer than we used to...</p>
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<p>But I have many relations that have hit 90 and had a lifetime of great health and hard work. And no childhood vaccines</p>
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<p>Are children today much healthier and stronger today than in the past. And are so many vaccines necessary. why can't we have a debate about this without people getting so emotional. Its not as if they are going to be outlawed next week</p>
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