Bledisloe #2
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe #2:
“Out-passioned”. A much used phrase, everyone talks about it, but no one really knows what the hell it is. One of the great enigmas of world sport.
We certainly didn't dominate the tackle area. Did aussie suddenly get bigger and stronger than us or was their will simply greater than ours?
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe #2:
“Out-passioned”. A much used phrase, everyone talks about it, but no one really knows what the hell it is. One of the great enigmas of world sport.
I'm with George Gregan, it's over rated in top level professional sport.
I am actually a little disappointed in this response. And it sort of points to the fact that what Steve Hanson says in public has very little in relation to what goes on behind closed doors.
We weren't hungry enough etc is a bullshit line that really means their prep wasn't up to standard. Exacerbated by playing an entire half a man down
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@canefan said in Bledisloe #2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe #2:
“Out-passioned”. A much used phrase, everyone talks about it, but no one really knows what the hell it is. One of the great enigmas of world sport.
We certainly didn't dominate the tackle area. Did aussie suddenly get bigger and stronger than us or was their will simply greater than ours?
Really it boils down to a few simple things - did our players do their job? And if they did, well we have cattle issues. If they didn’t then they simply do their job and the Aussies took advantage. And this game was easy to see that because they had so much ball to expose it.
Did our players play to a game plan? ....tumbleweeds...
In most team sporting contests there a moments or periods of momentum and that gathers as the game ebbs and flows. From my armchair OZ took their chances and when they sniffed blood and like @mariner4life said, being down a man definitely opens more chances.
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Maybe out-passioned is shorthand for: "despite on a conscious level accepting that we needed to be at the top of our game, subconsciously we were thinking it's only the Wallabies look how shit they are and were surprised by the ferocity of their attack. We kept on thinking they will blow themselves out but it never happened. Plus some of us know we're on the plane to Japan and don't want to pick up an injury. Shouldn't be a factor but.... Then Scooter had his brain fart and"
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Thought the Aussie bench was key - you had to replace Goodhue early and it wasn't the kind of game Laumape has a lot of experience with.
But when Coleman, Tupou, and Slipper came on, they fucking ripped in. Jones only get a few minutes but made a key carry in that time prior to Beale's try. Fainga'a also nailed his lineout throws and did his job around the park.
Prior to that, Latu didn't do anything stupid, which helps.
Thought Genia was a step down from White - that fucking aimless midfield box kick was poo. Rather have Gordon.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe #2:
Thought Genia was a step down from White - that fucking aimless midfield box kick was poo. Rather have Gordon.
I was with you until this. Gordon over Genia? That's a dumb opinion to have. Genia is still one of our best four or five players.
The box kick was on, it just sat up a bit too much. If it takes a kick and rolls into the corner it's a smart move with less than 10 minutes to play.
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@barbarian said in Bledisloe #2:
@NTA said in Bledisloe #2:
Thought Genia was a step down from White - that fucking aimless midfield box kick was poo. Rather have Gordon.
I was with you until this. Gordon over Genia? That's a dumb opinion to have. Genia is still one of our best four or five players.
The box kick was on, it just sat up a bit too much. If it takes a kick and rolls into the corner it's a smart move with less than 10 minutes to play.
Is he still when there is such a stark difference in how the Wallabies have attacked and defended when White is on the park? I think the last two tests have shown the decline of Genia.
Hooper, White, Sio, Ala’alatoa, Hodge all better than Genia.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe #2:
Is he still when there is such a stark difference in how the Wallabies have attacked and defended when White is on the park? I think the last two tests have shown the decline of Genia.
Nic White astounded me with the quality of his play. I have never seen himp lay like that; he was amazing. I wonder if the ABs were a bit surprised and let him run as a result ... even @NTA probably didn't have a game plan that revolved around trying to minimise the damage Nic was gonig to do.
Fair play to him, but he's been hiding that form for ages in his career. Well done to Cheika for getting him rolling
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@canefan said in Bledisloe #2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe #2:
“Out-passioned”. A much used phrase, everyone talks about it, but no one really knows what the hell it is. One of the great enigmas of world sport.
We certainly didn't dominate the tackle area. Did aussie suddenly get bigger and stronger than us?
Sort of. The selection of Naisarani and LSL and the steady improvement of their locks (Rodda in particular)has made their pack a lot more physical and certainly bigger. Add in the decline of some of our guys (Franks and Moody) as well as the loss of BBBR and it's not a totally unexpected result.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe #2:
Is he still when there is such a stark difference in how the Wallabies have attacked and defended when White is on the park? I think the last two tests have shown the decline of Genia.
Hooper, White, Sio, Ala’alatoa, Hodge all better than Genia.
Genia was one of our best against Argentina, and won Man of the Match from memory.
We don't need to get into a rankings discussion necessarily, but I still think he's class. Played really well off the bench on Saturday, including setting up Beale's try.
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@barbarian said in Bledisloe #2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe #2:
Is he still when there is such a stark difference in how the Wallabies have attacked and defended when White is on the park? I think the last two tests have shown the decline of Genia.
Hooper, White, Sio, Ala’alatoa, Hodge all better than Genia.
Genia was one of our best against Argentina, and won Man of the Match from memory.
We don't need to get into a rankings discussion necessarily, but I still think he's class. Played really well off the bench on Saturday, including setting up Beale's try.
I still remember seeing him when he started for the Reds. Just had such a bullet pass, and outstanding timing and pace around the ruck. Magnificent player at his peak
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe #2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe #2:
Is he still when there is such a stark difference in how the Wallabies have attacked and defended when White is on the park? I think the last two tests have shown the decline of Genia.
Nic White astounded me with the quality of his play. I have never seen himp lay like that; he was amazing. I wonder if the ABs were a bit surprised and let him run as a result ... even @NTA probably didn't have a game plan that revolved around trying to minimise the damage Nic was gonig to do.
Fair play to him, but he's been hiding that form for ages in his career. Well done to Cheika for getting him rolling
Yep, I hate the Sqeak looking prick, but he was immense the other night. However, he was very good in the first test in 2015 and then not even selected for the RWC so let's hope history repeats itself.
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@barbarian I actually thought the final 20 from White in that Pumas test, the Aussie attack really sped up. He was very good in the loss to the Boks as well probably Aussie’s best.
@nzzp he may not have performed like that with his limited Test opportunities prior, but he’s been playing well for Exeter and they have had a pretty good record since he went there.
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe #2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe #2:
a pretty food record since he went there.
Typo of the day
And no mention of Kahui, SBW or Crotty
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe #2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe #2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe #2:
a pretty food record since he went there.
Typo of the day
And no mention of Kahui, SBW or Crotty
Or Franks & Moody.
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I have a foot in two camps: I can absolutely see merit in keeping the same side (sans S Barrett and Goodhue) and telling them to man up, but I also think there could be gains in shaking the team up as well. So I'd mix it up.
Pat T is a big soft fuck, so I'd bring Romano in for Barrett and this also benefits our close quarter ball running. But I'd leave the front row as-is because I think they're our best scrummagers and ultimately that's what they're there for. I think Coles will go nuts this weekend too so he starts again. I'm not convinced about the loose forward combination but much like the 10/15 experiment I think they're worth another go together.
In the backs it's the three-quarter line which presents all the issues. I'd retain A Smith, Mo'unga, ALB and Barrett, and bring in Ennor for Goodhue with SBW on the bench. I wouldn't like to see ALB moved to 13 as I think he's a 12 and he needs to bed in there. If they didn't think Ennor might be capable of starting a test at 13 they wouldn't have named him in the squad, and it's the most like-for-like change we can make there. Now on the wings, to be honest I'd like to drop both of them for simply being bloody anonymous or even poor, but I'm also wary of making too many changes and creating too much disruption to systems and stuff, so I'd fire a 10" shell across Ben Smiths' bow and in another like-for-like change bring in Bridge for Smith. My full team:
Moody
Coles
Franks
Romano
Whitelock
Savea
Cane
ReadA Smith
Mo'unga
Ioane
ALB
Ennor
Bridge
B BarrettAngus T
Ofa T
Taylor
Pat T
Frizzell
Perenara
SBW
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@shark said in Bledisloe #2:
I have a foot in two camps: I can absolutely see merit in keeping the same side (sans S Barrett and Goodhue) and telling them to man up, but I also think there could be gains in shaking the team up as well. So I'd mix it up.
Pat T is a big soft fuck, so I'd bring Romano in for Barrett and this also benefits our close quarter ball running. But I'd leave the front row as-is because I think they're our best scrummagers and ultimately that's what they're there for. I think Coles will go nuts this weekend too so he starts again. I'm not convinced about the loose forward combination but much like the 10/15 experiment I think they're worth another go together.
In the backs it's the three-quarter line which presents all the issues. I'd retain A Smith, Mo'unga, ALB and Barrett, and bring in Ennor for Goodhue with SBW on the bench. I wouldn't like to see ALB moved to 13 as I think he's a 12 and he needs to bed in there. If they didn't think Ennor might be capable of starting a test at 13 they wouldn't have named him in the squad, and it's the most like-for-like change we can make there. Now on the wings, to be honest I'd like to drop both of them for simply being bloody anonymous or even poor, but I'm also wary of making too many changes and creating too much disruption to systems and stuff, so I'd fire a 10" shell across Ben Smiths' bow and in another like-for-like change bring in Bridge for Smith. My full team:
Moody
Coles
Franks
Romano
Whitelock
Savea
Cane
ReadA Smith
Mo'unga
Ioane
ALB
Ennor
Bridge
B BarrettAngus T
Ofa T
Taylor
Pat T
Frizzell
Perenara
SBW
B SmithI agree, I would keep the front row too. Franks has only ever been a scrum go to guy so I don't see why we should expect anything different
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