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@jegga said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@jegga said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@jegga said in NZ Politics:
@canefan while they are covering up for the latest alleged rapist on their payroll I think we can expect more leaks from the other staff .
The next disaster on its way is whether or not we are giving Tainui an interest free loan to buy Ihumatao.
I hope the people are watching this, and vote accordingly. I don't expect so though
Next poll should be interesting, I think as it becomes impossible to deny the incompetence of this government more and more of their defenders in the media are starting to turn on them .
National released a cringy video of Jacki talking about Ihumātao and Labour’s fanboys claimed it was edited to make her look like a moron . They shut up pretty quickly when it turned out it wasn’t .
Considering lots of people that vote are morons I'm not sure this moves the needle that far. And the Nats still have an unlikable candidate in opposition. I mean the electorate saw enough in 6 weeks from Jacko to put her in a position to form a government after Labour were basically staring down the barrel of irrelevancy with Little steering the ship. That is crazy
Well we vote for parties and not for leaders so I’m not sure how much Bridges popularity matters, Helen Clark was very unpopular in opposition.
It’s worth remembering only 35% of votes actually when to Labour despite the weird cognitive dissonance surrounding Jacko .
Yup. But their % was dismal when Little was leader and prior to Turei self-immolating. Her influence did enough to get voters to bring them close, and Uncle Winnie did the rest. If many are upset with how it all went down I really hope they punish NZF and destroy them as the king maker
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@jegga said in NZ Politics:
They have made tenants more liable for damage afterthat case where the tenants burned down their flat and had no insurance threatened to set a nasty precedent
Good luck getting any money out of tenants and a bond doesn't cover much.
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@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@jegga said in NZ Politics:
They have made tenants more liable for damage afterthat case where the tenants burned down their flat and had no insurance threatened to set a nasty precedent
Good luck getting any money out of tenants and a bond doesn't cover much.
I think it was more to get insurance companies to chase tenants rather than the landlords being completely on the hook . Your average feral is unlikely to give a fuck either way though
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Labour desperate for some good press try the “ won’t somebody think of the children angle”.
Of course it’s worth remembering this from the last time they were in government Pukekura Horomia fended off questions about kids going to school without breakfast by saying they were deliberately skipping breakfast to stay trim .
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@jegga said in NZ Politics:
Labour desperate for some good press try the “ won’t somebody think of the children angle”.
Of course it’s worth remembering this from the last time they were in government Pukekura Horomia fended off questions about kids going to school without breakfast by saying they were deliberately skipping breakfast to stay trim .
Don’t know how anyone can criticise or even be suspicious of this initiative... good on them
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@SammyC said in NZ Politics:
@jegga said in NZ Politics:
Labour desperate for some good press try the “ won’t somebody think of the children angle”.
Of course it’s worth remembering this from the last time they were in government Pukekura Horomia fended off questions about kids going to school without breakfast by saying they were deliberately skipping breakfast to stay trim .
Don’t know how anyone can criticise or even be suspicious of this initiative... good on them
Really? It reminds me of their “ nuclear free moment” after four kids got molested at Labour’s neverland camp . Anything to get the deluge of terrible headlines off the top of people’s news feeds . Apparently business confidence is at its lowest since 2008 and firms are talking about laying off staff .
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@jegga said in NZ Politics:
@SammyC said in NZ Politics:
@jegga said in NZ Politics:
Labour desperate for some good press try the “ won’t somebody think of the children angle”.
Of course it’s worth remembering this from the last time they were in government Pukekura Horomia fended off questions about kids going to school without breakfast by saying they were deliberately skipping breakfast to stay trim .
Don’t know how anyone can criticise or even be suspicious of this initiative... good on them
Really? It reminds me of their “ nuclear free moment” after four kids got molested at Labour’s neverland camp . Anything to get the deluge of terrible headlines off the top of people’s news feeds . Apparently business confidence is at its lowest since 2008 and firms are talking about laying off staff .
Kids are going to school hungry, so the government helps out by giving free lunch. I think that’s a good thing.
Measuring business confidence is junk science at best.
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@taniwharugby Marginal seats?
Seriously though what's not to like? I would like some flexibility for individual schools too best source the meal supplier.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@SammyC yep, good initiative, although I'd like to know the rational behind the deciding which schools/areas they are rolling out first in.
Lower decile schools first right?
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@canefan you'd hope so, although decile isnt an overly accurate measure...
Hope there has been thought and a transparent process go into determining where it starts (otherwise it then its a good initiative open to political bias)
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby Marginal seats?
Cynical, but you are probably correct.
Seriously though what's not to like? I would like some flexibility for individual schools too best source the meal supplier.
You spelled "sauce" for the meals wrong.
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There’s always going to be parents offloading their terrible life choices onto their kids and letting them go hungry regardless of who’s in power .
I don’t buy this suddenly becoming a huge issue for the coalition when Arderns shipped 16 polling points , Ihumātao looks like being a nightmare for future treaty settlements, kiwibuild is a farce , the economy is looking shaky and there’s another alleged rapist within labour being covered up by them .
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@canefan you'd hope so, although decile isnt an overly accurate measure...
Hope there has been thought and a transparent process go into determining where it starts (otherwise it then its a good initiative open to political bias)
Thoughtful? Considering this is the first we've heard of it I would imagine this is the result of a recent spit balling session, light on details. If it is done wrong there is great potential for waste and mismanagement
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@SammyC said in NZ Politics:
@jegga said in NZ Politics:
Labour desperate for some good press try the “ won’t somebody think of the children angle”.
Of course it’s worth remembering this from the last time they were in government Pukekura Horomia fended off questions about kids going to school without breakfast by saying they were deliberately skipping breakfast to stay trim .
Don’t know how anyone can criticise or even be suspicious of this initiative... good on them
I'll criticise it, because the government doesn't know the difference between a strategy and a plan. A strategy won't feed a single person other than the ones who got a sandwich yesterday. A plan is much harder, as it has to actually deliver food to kids.
I've spent the last little while looking for any detail that specifies how they intend to achieve that. That would inform how much it will cost to set up and the every year, the risks, barriers, responsibilities / accountabilities, contractual requirements, success criteria (including measurement) and all the other things that are the difference between having an idea and actually getting something done.
And as usual there's no detail, just a well-meaning idea, like Kiwibuild, that will inevitably fail because they didn't care enough to do some farking work and produce something other than a soundbite. That's the problem with seeing your job as solely starting the conversation rather than, you know, actually doing something.
The worst thing is that there are thousands of really capable people in this country who can actually get shit done, but they'll never be asked, because the last thing an incompetent needs is someone competent showing them up.
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@JC said in NZ Politics:
@SammyC said in NZ Politics:
@jegga said in NZ Politics:
Labour desperate for some good press try the “ won’t somebody think of the children angle”.
Of course it’s worth remembering this from the last time they were in government Pukekura Horomia fended off questions about kids going to school without breakfast by saying they were deliberately skipping breakfast to stay trim .
Don’t know how anyone can criticise or even be suspicious of this initiative... good on them
The worst thing is that there are thousands of really capable people in this country who can actually get shit done, but they'll never be asked, because the last thing an incompetent needs is someone competent showing them up.
Agree entirely, the same criticism can be leveled at past national governments too.
The insinuation that this is just a devious move by a labour government to offset some bad press is what I struggle with.
The business confidence thing is such crap .....
I've seen Zollner speak a few times and heard her say that business confidence always falls when a labour government is elected, and that there is no correlation between business confidence and economic growth.
The simple fact is that a change of goverment promotes uncertainty.
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Sending your kids to school without a lunch is child abuse, and the govt just giving the kids lunch is tacitly helping with it.
I would be more impressed if the govt coupled this with bringing charges against parents that consistently do not feed a minor under there care. Instead pathetic govts like this just virtual signal at the taxpayers expense.
If anyone thinks that no lunches is the actual problem.. they are fuckwits.So actually yeah if you actually give give this more than a moments thought, there is a shit load load wrong with this initiative,
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
Sending your kids to school without a lunch is child abuse, and the govt just giving the kids lunch is tacitly helping with it.
It's certainly enabling neglect. But I think the benefits of a safety net helps the kids.
However, like JC, I have no belief that this government will even deliver this.
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