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@NTA said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@antipodean said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Note the difference in carbon intensity.
Two reasons: France has a lot of nuclear, and all the coal in Germany is lignite (brown coal) with a bigger carbon intensity than the regular stuff.
Yet, despite this, and the cost factors you're talking about, France is planning transition to renewables as it's nuclear fleet ages.
Because Macron is a virtue signalling moron.
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@antipodean said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@NTA said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@antipodean said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Note the difference in carbon intensity.
Two reasons: France has a lot of nuclear, and all the coal in Germany is lignite (brown coal) with a bigger carbon intensity than the regular stuff.
Yet, despite this, and the cost factors you're talking about, France is planning transition to renewables as it's nuclear fleet ages.
Because Macron is a virtue signalling moron.
Oversimplifying it a bit I'm not sure his influence overrides every single financial hurdle by default.
France is regularly held up by the nukebois as a shining example, so why not maintain that low carbon intensity? Why aren't they a world leader in nuclear R&D given their long history? Whether it's their Gen 4 reactor?
Cost of running and developing nuclear is a big factor. They only really got into it after the oil crisis in the 70s, after all. That won't be as a big an issue going forward.
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@NTA said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@antipodean said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@NTA said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@antipodean said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Note the difference in carbon intensity.
Two reasons: France has a lot of nuclear, and all the coal in Germany is lignite (brown coal) with a bigger carbon intensity than the regular stuff.
Yet, despite this, and the cost factors you're talking about, France is planning transition to renewables as it's nuclear fleet ages.
Because Macron is a virtue signalling moron.
Oversimplifying it a bit I'm not sure his influence overrides every single financial hurdle by default.
France is regularly held up by the nukebois as a shining example, so why not maintain that low carbon intensity? Why aren't they a world leader in nuclear R&D given their long history? Whether it's their Gen 4 reactor?
Cost of running and developing nuclear is a big factor. They only really got into it after the oil crisis in the 70s, after all. That won't be as a big an issue going forward.
Because all available evidence points to the benefits. You only have to look at their neighbour to contrast.
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Extinction Rebellion trying to block London City airport today. Some bloke got up as a plane was about to take off and walked up and down the aisle preventing it.
Others have glued themselves to the airport. I always wonder the same questions for activists who do this sort of thing. What do you do when you inevitably need to take a shit?
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@MajorRage said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Extinction Rebellion trying to block London City airport today. Some bloke got up as a plane was about to take off and walked up and down the aisle preventing it.
Others have glued themselves to the airport. I always wonder the same questions for activists who do this sort of thing. What do you do when you inevitably need to take a shit?
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kale is a great diuretic so I'm sure they are well blocked up
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they've probably shit themselves numerous times at music festivals
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The girl who cries wolf: “Alarmist language works.”
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@MajorRage said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Extinction Rebellion trying to block London City airport today. Some bloke got up as a plane was about to take off and walked up and down the aisle preventing it.
Others have glued themselves to the airport. I always wonder the same questions for activists who do this sort of thing. What do you do when you inevitably need to take a shit?
It’s a false flag from the oil companies to make us completely despise climate activists.
That’s the only way I can possibly make sense of putting up the likes of Greta and these turds as the public image of their movement. They’ve put a lot of work into it , the arseclowns who glued themselves to the bank in Wellington had perfected their soyfaces well in advance.
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@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
It’s a false flag from the oil companies to make us completely despise climate activists.
That’s the only way I can possibly make sense of putting up the likes of Greta and these turds as the public image of their movement.
Its a good theory, but I guess we forget how controversial protests in the Vietnam era or Civil Rights - even Suffragettes over a centruy ago - were to the mainstream in their time.
Now they are ennobled because their cause is seen as just.
Will we look back in 20-30 years and say the climate protesters were equally justified?
As an aside: went to see Billy Elliot The Musical here in Sydney last night. Great production, talented kids. But the overriding thing for me was the portrayal of Thatcher-era mining protest. A year on strike is pretty fucking hardcore, and the government of the time was highly abrasive.
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@NTA said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
It’s a false flag from the oil companies to make us completely despise climate activists.
That’s the only way I can possibly make sense of putting up the likes of Greta and these turds as the public image of their movement.
Its a good theory, but I guess we forget how controversial protests in the Vietnam era or Civil Rights - even Suffragettes over a centruy ago - were to the mainstream in their time.
Now they are ennobled because their cause is seen as just.
Will we look back in 20-30 years and say the climate protesters were equally justified?
As an aside: went to see Billy Elliot The Musical here in Sydney last night. Great production, talented kids. But the overriding thing for me was the portrayal of Thatcher-era mining protest. A year on strike is pretty fucking hardcore, and the government of the time was highly abrasive.
Hang on weren’t they coal miners making their living out of polluting the planet? Fuck those people
Also you went to see Billy Elliot ?
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@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@NTA said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
It’s a false flag from the oil companies to make us completely despise climate activists.
That’s the only way I can possibly make sense of putting up the likes of Greta and these turds as the public image of their movement.
Its a good theory, but I guess we forget how controversial protests in the Vietnam era or Civil Rights - even Suffragettes over a centruy ago - were to the mainstream in their time.
Now they are ennobled because their cause is seen as just.
Will we look back in 20-30 years and say the climate protesters were equally justified?
As an aside: went to see Billy Elliot The Musical here in Sydney last night. Great production, talented kids. But the overriding thing for me was the portrayal of Thatcher-era mining protest. A year on strike is pretty fucking hardcore, and the government of the time was highly abrasive.
Hang on weren’t they coal miners making their living out of polluting the planet? Fuck those people
Margaret Thatcher - Environmental champion- 95% reduction in the number of coal pits in less than a decade
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@Rembrandt said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Margaret Thatcher - Environmental champion- 95% reduction in the number of coal pits in less than a decade
Haha. Certainly a new way of looking at it.
I'll mention that to my wife from a Welsh coal mining valley. If you don't hear from me again I have been made into some sort of apparel.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
The girl who cries wolf: “Alarmist language works.”
Simply not bright enough to realise she'd be held to account for the ridiculous hyperbole and be found wanting.
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@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Hang on weren’t they coal miners making their living out of polluting the planet? Fuck those people
Funny how things change, eh? Now Australia is holding up coal as lifting people out of poverty - which is questionable at best, and the UK is powering itself for whole days on wind.
Also you went to see Billy Elliot ?
Yeah. Thought it would be shit but was highly entertained.
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@NTA What is your take on coal mines in Oz in regards to emissions? The normal line I hear is its better to have them here than export the coal to nations that have low-tech or dubious regulations on burning coal. I know very little on it specifically.
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@Rembrandt said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@NTA What is your take on coal mines in Oz in regards to emissions? The normal line I hear is its better to have them here than export the coal to nations that have low-tech or dubious regulations on burning coal. I know very little on it specifically.
Broad topic
The black coal extracted from a lot of pits in NSW is probably the best option if you are going to burn something for energy. The brown coal we have in some fields here is unsuitable for export as it releases more CO2. I forget the exact ratio but on the emissions scale for the energy market here, black coal is about 1kg / kWh emitted and brown coal around 1.15kg / kWh emitted.
The problem then is transport - add in another 100g / kWh or so for getting it from the pit to the power station, but if you take it to ship* and send it overseas, it ramps up in percentage terms. And if you offload it to a port in Outer Fuckallistan, it probably doubles overall due to inefficiences in (as you say) lower regulation markets.
*Naval and air transport need a solution for long-haul. Is it hydrogen? Maybe....
People often quote natural gas as being a palatable alternative, and quote it much lower than the 1kg mark BUT you also have to be careful with the figures provided, because they don't account for fugitive emissions i.e. unintended release of other greenhouse gases due to faulty equipment or mining practices such as pressure venting.
Coal's CO2 just sits around until you burn it. Gas could just decide to escape - hence the issue where permafrost is melting due to unseasonably warm weather, and thus releasing more trapped stuff like methane, which in turn will create more warm weather.
Feedback loops are a bitch.
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@Snowy said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Rembrandt said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Margaret Thatcher - Environmental champion- 95% reduction in the number of coal pits in less than a decade
Haha. Certainly a new way of looking at it.
I'll mention that to my wife from a Welsh coal mining valley. If you don't hear from me again I have been made into some sort of apparel.
it's so important for a husband and wife to find hobbies they both enjoy
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@mariner4life For sure, taught how to sew and everything.
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Africa May Have 90% of the World’s Poor in Next 10 Years, World Bank Says
The rate of poverty reduction in Africa “slowed substantially” after the collapse in commodity prices that started in 2014, resulting in negative gross domestic product growth on a per capita basis, according to the report. “As countries in other regions continue to make progress in poverty reduction, forecasts suggest that poverty will soon become a predominantly African phenomenon.”
The paid liars at think-tanks never talk about stuff like this. It's always the garbage Hans Rosling half-truths of "Population growth will plateaux, it's not a problem." Yeah, in 2000 and f*cking 90, when there's billions more.
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