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Mokey

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Attn Mrs Winger,
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Those undies...what in the actual fuck. No on every level, especially for the unfortunately located red strip.
 
(Or is this the latest way to say no way? Hey honey, how about...oh. Red Peak week.)

Kirwan

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="539820" data-time="1446836738">Winger, I was slowly coming around on my own terms to the possibility that this is OK. The moment someone starts trying to convince me of it so it justifies their own opinion I back off again. 
This us where a campaign thing is all wrong. Just let a slow burn happen.</blockquote>
 
This. I like the damn thing but hate the campaign!

Winger

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Winger, I was slowly coming around on my own terms to the possibility that this is OK. The moment someone starts trying to convince me of it so it justifies their own opinion I back off again. 
This us where a campaign thing is all wrong. Just let a slow burn happen
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I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else.
 
There are people better than me who can do this. Its not my strength

Winger

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This. I like the damn thing but hate the campaign!
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But without the campaign it would surely fail. And we will be left with our current flag
 
I like the campaign.
And I wish more people would take an interest in what's going on in the world or country rather than letting it all pass them by. This more than anything else causes so much grief. We are collectively mostly too naive and too lazy to take the time to investigate anything much.
 
Like AGW where many still believe. :bang_head1:

jegga

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But without the campaign it would surely fail. And we will be left with our current flag 
I like the campaign. 
And I wish more people would take an interest in what's going on in the world or country rather than letting it all pass them by. This more than anything else causes so much grief. We are collectively mostly too naive and too lazy to take the time to investigate anything much. 
Like AGW where many still believe. :bang_head1:</blockquote>
 
There's already a global warming thread , no need to discuss it on this one please.

Crucial

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Winger" data-cid="539851" data-time="1446850073">I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else. 
There are people better than me who can do this. Its not my strength</blockquote>
 
Maybe I didn't word it well. I realize the need for an awareness but don't want someone else telling me WHY I should like it. 
Put it out there but don't preach.

Nepia

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I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else.
 
There are people better than me who can do this. Its not my strength
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 :think: Yes, you have, 90% of this thread has been you doing exactly that. 
 
I don't mind the red flag that much but we've already got a flag that is easily identifiable as 'NZ' yet it's not in the running, and as I said earlier I don't really care what happens from here because of its exclusion - but this thread has been funny viewing nonetheless.

Winger

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 :think: Yes, you have, 90% of this thread has been you doing exactly that.
 
I don't mind the red flag that much but we've already got a flag that is easily identifiable as 'NZ' yet it's not in the running, and as I said earlier I don't really care what happens from here because of its exclusion - but this thread has been funny viewing nonetheless. 
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No I'm not. I gave up on doing this a long time back. Others do it but in a lot more subtle, effective, way than me. I can't do subtle and don't bother trying anymore.
 
If red peak wins this vote it will have nothing to do with me. Maybe the opposite.

booboo

Red peak is bland and boring and does not represent NZ.

Crucial

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Red peak is bland and boring and does not represent NZ.
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Most flags are bland and boring. I agree that the 'represent us' part is way to subtle though and needs explaining to people rather than being a stylised pic of something we feel says NZ.
 
of all the flags out there I still actually really like the Tino Rangatiratanga flag and think it is a pity that its position as the 'Maori Flag' means that many NZers wouldn't accept a change to it. It is simple, includes 'our colours' and has that small bit of uniqueness that makes it ours.
 
Aside from that, like others, I am pissed of we have not been offered the option of the de facto NZ flag of a simple fern design. Even the perceived issues around a black flag could have been worked around. A 'copy' of the Canadian flag using black and white as colours with a black centre panel and white fern would be different enough to the 'sports flag' that it is more widely acceptable.

Nepia

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Most flags are bland and boring. I agree that the 'represent us' part is way to subtle though and needs explaining to people rather than being a stylised pic of something we feel says NZ.
 
of all the flags out there I still actually really like the Tino Rangatiratanga flag and think it is a pity that its position as the 'Maori Flag' means that many NZers wouldn't accept a change to it. It is simple, includes 'our colours' and has that small bit of uniqueness that makes it ours.
 
Aside from that, like others, I am pissed of we have not been offered the option of the de facto NZ flag of a simple fern design. Even the perceived issues around a black flag could have been worked around. A 'copy' of the Canadian flag using black and white as colours with a black centre panel and white fern would be different enough to the 'sports flag' that it is more widely acceptable.
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I certainly would have no issue with a black and white flag. :)

Rancid Schnitzel

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National flags are not usually in your face type designs 
They are more subtle so we can create meaning as we see fit 
But the colors are spot on. Black and white essential with black in a key position by the flag pole 
And red in the power position with white between red , black and blue. It's a great design that ticks all the flag design boxes. <img src="https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12065895_1053637921335566_7595400023024883109_n.png?oh=bb27a2ed93521d7a13adde24db200c0c&oe=56B222F5&gda=1456225653_98e5980e79f13410e03083d7e98fcad0" alt="12065895_1053637921335566_75954000230248"></blockquote>
 
You clearly have the pretentious hipster vote locked in. Only 99.9999% of the population to go.

NTA

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They are more subtle so we can create meaning as we see fit
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:think:
 
 
 
 
 
 
;)

infidel

jegga

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National flags are not usually in your face type designs
 
They are more subtle so we can create meaning as we see fit
 
But the colors are spot on. Black and white essential with black in a key position by the flag pole
 
And red in the power position with white between red , black and blue. It's a great design that ticks all the flag design boxes.
 
 
 
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Like misinformation and " facts " about vaccination?

taniwharugby

I see there are people still banging on about voting the 'worst' option to ensure the status quo remains, and in doing so they are basically sabotaging the democratic process.

Crucial

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I see there are people still banging on about voting the 'worst' option to ensure the status quo remains, and in doing so they are basically sabotaging the democratic process.
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I'm having as much trouble working out the worst option as I am the best one.

taniwharugby

that is interesting isn't it, they know which is the worst one to vote for it, to avoid voting for the best that will supposedly become the NZ flag if they voted it?
 
I think the number of people willing to sabotage their vote would be minimal and probably only slightly higher than the usual margin of error in polls and the like?

Crucial

The RSA are being as stupid and obstinate about this process as they can.
 
The referendums aren't going to go away and the process is set in place. Why can't they just honour the democratic process that their members 'fought for' and just vote like everyone else.

jegga

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National flags are not usually in your face type designs 
They are more subtle so we can create meaning as we see fit 
But the colors are spot on. Black and white essential with black in a key position by the flag pole 
And red in the power position with white between red , black and blue. It's a great design that ticks all the flag design boxes. <img src="https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12065895_1053637921335566_7595400023024883109_n.png?oh=bb27a2ed93521d7a13adde24db200c0c&oe=56B222F5&gda=1456225653_98e5980e79f13410e03083d7e98fcad0" alt="12065895_1053637921335566_75954000230248"></blockquote>
 
Those arseclowns jerseys should have captions on them , his could read " makes craft beer, forces it in guests" her would say " works in hr, grudgingly gives head".

The Silver Fern

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