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@barbarian said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
I feel like Barnaby (cnut that he is) was stitched up a bit by the headline.
If you read his quotes in context, he's actually trying to avoid putting the boot into the fire victims. Instead the headline makes it seem like he launched a callous attack on them.
Yeah that was gutter journalism.
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@barbarian said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
I feel like Barnaby (cnut that he is) was stitched up a bit by the headline.
If you read his quotes in context, he's actually trying to avoid putting the boot into the fire victims. Instead the headline makes it seem like he launched a callous attack on them.
Barnaby Joyce’s claim that changes to the sun’s magnetic fields were linked to the bushfires burning out of control across NSW have been rubbished by climate scientists.
The former deputy prime minister told Sky News he accepted that the climate crisis was making Australia hotter and drier.
But the Nationals member for New England said other factors including changes to magnetic fields were also to blame.
"There are a range of things that affect the climate and on a global scale, you should be part of it, and acknowledge it would have an effect and I acknowledge that there are other issues as well," he said.
"There’s just the the oscillation of the seasons. There’s a change in the magnetic field of the sun."
Associate Professor Nerilie Abram, a climate researcher at the ARC Centre of Excellence for Climate Extremes, called his comments "ludicrous and grossly ill-informed".
Dr Abram said she was unaware of any study suggesting changes to the sun’s magnetic field could increase Australia’s bushfire risk.
"I don’t know of any scientific study that says that," she said.
"Increasing temperatures, drought and fuel load all increase that bushfire risk."
Dr Abram said changes to the sun’s magnetic fields had a tiny effect on the Earth’s climate.
"They are not causing climate change.
"We can measure the energy we get from the sun, and it does have a natural variability. But it’s very small, and it has not shown any long-term trend over the past century, when we have seen this dramatic warming.
"It is clearly not one of the factors that has caused this warming."
Associate Professor Pete Strutton, from the Institute for Marine and Antarctic Studies at the University of Tasmania, said it was difficult to analyse Mr Joyce's claim because it was so bizarre.
"I don’t even know what he means. We know what causes climate change," he said.
"What exactly would the magnetic fields influence? I can't even ... Are they influencing the amount of solar radiation reaching the Earth? It is hard to respond to because it is so wacky."
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@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@barbarian said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
I feel like Barnaby (cnut that he is) was stitched up a bit by the headline.
If you read his quotes in context, he's actually trying to avoid putting the boot into the fire victims. Instead the headline makes it seem like he launched a callous attack on them.
Yeah that was gutter journalism.
The quote:
"I acknowledge that the two people who died were most likely people who voted for the Green party, so I am not going to start attacking them. That's the last thing I want to do."
Right. Not going to start attacking them. So why even raise conjecture over their voting preferences?
There is this belief that "Greenie policies" have somehow stunted the entire concept of back burning and fuel management, which is bullshit.
McCormack is lining up to have a shot at climate change while we're at it.
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Ultimately, it is not helpful if extreme language is being used on either side - but for a couple of guys who are meant to be leaders in the National Party, they're doing a pretty poor job of helping rural people by taking a handful of mining jobs over the health of rural Australia in general.
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@NTA said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Right. Not going to start attacking them. So why even mention the possibility of their voting preferences?
Agreed. It didn't need to be said. He said it, therefore he needs to own it.
He can take some solace that he's not alone in trodding on his dick. Greens Senator Jordon Steele-John called his political opponents arsonists:
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Associate Professor Pete Strutton, from the Institute for Marine and Antarctic Studies at the University of Tasmania, said it was difficult to analyse Mr Joyce's claim because it was so bizarre.
"I don’t even know what he means. We know what causes climate change," he said.
So what does cause climate change? And I'm not referring to recent years.
I'm talking about the past where we have had ice-ages. And then warmer periods. The back to ice-ages And ice-ages (or cold spells) when the CO2 level have been much higher than today. So it can't really be blamed back then on CO2.
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@NTA said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@barbarian said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
I feel like Barnaby (cnut that he is) was stitched up a bit by the headline.
If you read his quotes in context, he's actually trying to avoid putting the boot into the fire victims. Instead the headline makes it seem like he launched a callous attack on them.
Yeah that was gutter journalism.
The quote:
"I acknowledge that the two people who died were most likely people who voted for the Green party, so I am not going to start attacking them. That's the last thing I want to do."
Right. Not going to start attacking them. So why even raise conjecture over their voting preferences?
There is this belief that "Greenie policies" have somehow stunted the entire concept of back burning and fuel management, which is bullshit.
McCormack is lining up to have a shot at climate change while we're at it.
Still don’t think that’s as bad as the headline suggests. Typically I only read the headlines
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@NTA said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@voodoo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Feels like the time is right for some political capital to be spent without repercussions.
There are still some fuckwits in that arena making it hard tho:
Go Cuz! You're doing our family name proud....
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@Hooroo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@NTA said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@voodoo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Feels like the time is right for some political capital to be spent without repercussions.
There are still some fuckwits in that arena making it hard tho:
Go Cuz! You're doing our family name proud....
Was waiting for this
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@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Hooroo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@NTA said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@voodoo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Feels like the time is right for some political capital to be spent without repercussions.
There are still some fuckwits in that arena making it hard tho:
Go Cuz! You're doing our family name proud....
Was waiting for this
Is he still in parliament? (albeit at the back of it)
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@Hooroo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Hooroo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@NTA said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@voodoo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Feels like the time is right for some political capital to be spent without repercussions.
There are still some fuckwits in that arena making it hard tho:
Go Cuz! You're doing our family name proud....
Was waiting for this
Is he still in parliament? (albeit at the back of it)
Yep, he’s got two separate branches of your extended whanau to support
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@Winger said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Associate Professor Pete Strutton, from the Institute for Marine and Antarctic Studies at the University of Tasmania, said it was difficult to analyse Mr Joyce's claim because it was so bizarre.
"I don’t even know what he means. We know what causes climate change," he said.
So what does cause climate change? And I'm not referring to recent years.
I'm talking about the past where we have had ice-ages. And then warmer periods. The back to ice-ages And ice-ages (or cold spells) when the CO2 level have been much higher than today. So it can't really be blamed back then on CO2.
If only the internet provided answers to such questions: https://www.science.org.au/learning/general-audience/science-climate-change/2-how-has-climate-changed
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I'm very skeptical of all the scary 'science' around climate change. Others turn their thinking process off and just trust the 'scientists'. Ok fair enough but my prediction is the science behind CC will be history within 10 years. People are waking up. Slowly but its happening.
But who knows. I amazed this 'world is ending' due to a tiny little increase in CO2 has lasted for as long as it has.
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@Rembrandt said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Does anyone have first hand nuanced understanding of the anti-greenies 'They stopped us clearing fuel!' argument?
I do not - but the concept is explained well by the former NSW Fire Commissioner Greg Mullins I posted earlier.
The summary from my point of view: a land in drought and a warming, drying climate creates difficulties in how you burn off, and when you burn off. There are millions of uninhabited hectares that are getting burned out with a fuel load that was NEVER going to be reduced anyway, because you can't burn off the whole country.
Funding cuts haven't helped.
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The sooner there is an environmental party not run by absolute lunatics the better.
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@booboo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Am wondering if we can split the Bush fire posts from the climate debate ...
... I'd do it myself if I knew how.
Bush Fires thread is here now: https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3602/aussie-bush-fires/
Only split the last two days.. couldn't be bothered going further back
Will leave in the Politics area because of questions about regulations, firebreaks etc
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