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@NTA said in BOP Eruption?:
Divers to be deployed for the last 2?
Yep
Commissioner Bush said staff had sighted a body in the water and there had been an earlier attempt to recover that body which was unsuccessful due to weather.
"To say it was choppy would be an understatement."
...Divers are now searching the area.
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@Donsteppa said in BOP Eruption?:
NZDF Colonel Rian McKinstry says an eight-person team, six men and two women, went on to the island with another eight-person team on standby to assist in case of any need. The team spent four hours on the island and were communicating via radio.
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The recovery team was comprised of members of the explosive ordinance disposal squad, Colonel McKinstry said.
A squad of six men and two women had been sent on to the island.
A second team had been on standby.
"As far as their demeanour is concerned because of the bomb disposal nature of the trade - you can take it they are very level-headed individuals."
I wonder if those types of people allow balloons at their kids birthday parties?
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@Donsteppa said in BOP Eruption?:
NZDF Colonel Rian McKinstry says an eight-person team, six men and two women, went on to the island with another eight-person team on standby to assist in case of any need. The team spent four hours on the island and were communicating via radio.
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The recovery team was comprised of members of the explosive ordinance disposal squad, Colonel McKinstry said.
A squad of six men and two women had been sent on to the island.
A second team had been on standby.
"As far as their demeanour is concerned because of the bomb disposal nature of the trade - you can take it they are very level-headed individuals."
Sounds like it all went by the numbers. Reassuringly professional
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A little more on the medial angle regarding those who were relatively 'well' enough to be transported Trans- Ta$man
Sydney hospital prepares for two more volcano victims as injuries present challenge
Burns units around Australia are grappling with unique medical challenges as they work to care for victims of the White Island volcano eruption.
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It's been interesting reading comments about the recovery mission. I've been involved in a couple of search and rescue ops and sadly they were ultimately recoveries. I agree with the concept that you don't risk known lives to recover known dead.
I very nearly had a mid air searching for a missing plane in PNG as my mate and I figured that they would be in the same valley as it was a well known trap for new guys (which the pilot was). Unfortunately it is easy to get a bit over enthusiastic when trying to save people and can risk others - including your own life. Sadly all 10, including children were killed in that one.
As for burns - they wouldn't let me on a commercial flight for two weeks with mine and looked at medivac for me. I was lucky enough to have a doctor mate who spent an hour every morning picking the dead skin off me and cleaning the wounds until I got home to have some grafts (fortunately none are really noticeable). Along with the infections in a tropical climate it is probably safe to say she saved my life.
My own experiences have made all of this is a bit close to home for me.I feel for everybody involved.
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"Families of the deceased were growing increasingly frustrated the bodies could not be recovered. "
That's the shit that annoys me. Somebody else's life at risk so that you can get a corpse back.
Grief is an awful thing but don't inflict on somebody else's family as well.
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@Snowy said in BOP Eruption?:
"Families of the deceased were growing increasingly frustrated the bodies could not be recovered. "
That's the shit that annoys me. Somebody else's life at risk so that you can get a corpse back.
Grief is an awful thing but don't inflict on somebody else's family as well.
I don't expect the familty to be reasonable or even that rational at the moment. All the more reason for the scrumbag journalists to stop putting them on camera.
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@Kirwan Fair call, hence my comment about grief. I wouldn't be asking but I've been there so my view is probably a bit different.
50 to 60% isn't good enough to risk others. You've lost your family getting the body back won't help much. Kudos to the guys that have done it though.
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@Kirwan said in BOP Eruption?:
@Snowy said in BOP Eruption?:
"Families of the deceased were growing increasingly frustrated the bodies could not be recovered. "
That's the shit that annoys me. Somebody else's life at risk so that you can get a corpse back.
Grief is an awful thing but don't inflict on somebody else's family as well.
I don't expect the familty to be reasonable or even that rational at the moment. All the more reason for the scrumbag journalists to stop putting them on camera.
Its Pike river 2.0 . Obviously the upgrade isn't personally blaming Ardern and referring to White Island an active crime scene , the journos are behaving much the same way though.
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Re the families, to be fair I don't think Mr 20 mins helped at all in terms of their expectations. Body recovery can be tricky enough at the best of times and conditions, but this is an active volcano, and the bodies were blasted with gases and sulphuric acid and extreme heat. About the most delicate operation imaginable.
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@Mokey said in BOP Eruption?:
Re the families, to be fair I don't think Mr 20 mins helped at all in terms of their expectations. Body recovery can be tricky enough at the best of times and conditions, but this is an active volcano, and the bodies were blasted with gases and sulphuric acid and extreme heat. About the most delicate operation imaginable.
About as helpful as Winny wanking on about him going into the Pike River mine
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@canefan said in BOP Eruption?:
@Mokey said in BOP Eruption?:
Re the families, to be fair I don't think Mr 20 mins helped at all in terms of their expectations. Body recovery can be tricky enough at the best of times and conditions, but this is an active volcano, and the bodies were blasted with gases and sulphuric acid and extreme heat. About the most delicate operation imaginable.
About as helpful as Winny wanking on about him going into the Pike River mine
Yeah, it's completely unsurprising that the re-entry into Pike River mine went from something straightforward to such a complex mission that requires extensive planning and constant re-schedules due to safety issues in the eyes of the Labour party as well as the soulless Winny. Their politicization of that is one of the darkest times in the party's history IMO, not something I'll ever forget.
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@Mokey said in BOP Eruption?:
Re the families, to be fair I don't think Mr 20 mins helped at all in terms of their expectations. Body recovery can be tricky enough at the best of times and conditions, but this is an active volcano, and the bodies were blasted with gases and sulphuric acid and extreme heat. About the most delicate operation imaginable.
Yep. People concerned about the rights of Mr 20 minutes to do whatever he wanted as a battle against the ‘ever controlling authorities’ somehow missed the rights of the many others also involved in the picture.
Particularly the rights of the international families not to have someone just charge in ‘in 20 minutes’ and - among other things - possibly wreck any chance of victim identification of the deceased for closure. Sure, he knew where he left the local(s) he knew well, but he had absolutely no idea who the other individuals are. Let alone the two missing, despite being reported as ‘knowing where they all are’.
Six members of a SAS unit whose ethos is “into harms way” didn’t spend three hours in that manner on the Island because they are into filling forms in triplicate.
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@No-Quarter said in BOP Eruption?:
@canefan said in BOP Eruption?:
@Mokey said in BOP Eruption?:
Re the families, to be fair I don't think Mr 20 mins helped at all in terms of their expectations. Body recovery can be tricky enough at the best of times and conditions, but this is an active volcano, and the bodies were blasted with gases and sulphuric acid and extreme heat. About the most delicate operation imaginable.
About as helpful as Winny wanking on about him going into the Pike River mine
Yeah, it's completely unsurprising that the re-entry into Pike River mine went from something straightforward to such a complex mission that requires extensive planning and constant re-schedules due to safety issues in the eyes of the Labour party as well as the soulless Winny. Their politicization of that is one of the darkest times in the party's history IMO, not something I'll ever forget.
Have they gone back in yet?
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@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@No-Quarter said in BOP Eruption?:
@canefan said in BOP Eruption?:
@Mokey said in BOP Eruption?:
Re the families, to be fair I don't think Mr 20 mins helped at all in terms of their expectations. Body recovery can be tricky enough at the best of times and conditions, but this is an active volcano, and the bodies were blasted with gases and sulphuric acid and extreme heat. About the most delicate operation imaginable.
About as helpful as Winny wanking on about him going into the Pike River mine
Yeah, it's completely unsurprising that the re-entry into Pike River mine went from something straightforward to such a complex mission that requires extensive planning and constant re-schedules due to safety issues in the eyes of the Labour party as well as the soulless Winny. Their politicization of that is one of the darkest times in the party's history IMO, not something I'll ever forget.
Have they gone back in yet?
I haven't heard anything in the media so I assume not. I'd expect a photo of Cinda standing in hardhat with pensive droopy mouth at the entrance to hug the assembled families
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@canefan said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@No-Quarter said in BOP Eruption?:
@canefan said in BOP Eruption?:
@Mokey said in BOP Eruption?:
Re the families, to be fair I don't think Mr 20 mins helped at all in terms of their expectations. Body recovery can be tricky enough at the best of times and conditions, but this is an active volcano, and the bodies were blasted with gases and sulphuric acid and extreme heat. About the most delicate operation imaginable.
About as helpful as Winny wanking on about him going into the Pike River mine
Yeah, it's completely unsurprising that the re-entry into Pike River mine went from something straightforward to such a complex mission that requires extensive planning and constant re-schedules due to safety issues in the eyes of the Labour party as well as the soulless Winny. Their politicization of that is one of the darkest times in the party's history IMO, not something I'll ever forget.
Have they gone back in yet?
I haven't heard anything in the media so I assume not. I'd expect a photo of Cinda standing in hardhat with pensive droopy mouth at the entrance to hug the assembled families
I had to look it up. Still planning another attempt, so haven't completely given it away but they have to be close to cutting their losses. There's nothing to be gained.
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@No-Quarter said in BOP Eruption?:
@canefan said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@No-Quarter said in BOP Eruption?:
@canefan said in BOP Eruption?:
@Mokey said in BOP Eruption?:
Re the families, to be fair I don't think Mr 20 mins helped at all in terms of their expectations. Body recovery can be tricky enough at the best of times and conditions, but this is an active volcano, and the bodies were blasted with gases and sulphuric acid and extreme heat. About the most delicate operation imaginable.
About as helpful as Winny wanking on about him going into the Pike River mine
Yeah, it's completely unsurprising that the re-entry into Pike River mine went from something straightforward to such a complex mission that requires extensive planning and constant re-schedules due to safety issues in the eyes of the Labour party as well as the soulless Winny. Their politicization of that is one of the darkest times in the party's history IMO, not something I'll ever forget.
Have they gone back in yet?
I haven't heard anything in the media so I assume not. I'd expect a photo of Cinda standing in hardhat with pensive droopy mouth at the entrance to hug the assembled families
I had to look it up. Still planning another attempt, so haven't completely given it away but they have to be close to cutting their losses. There's nothing to be gained.
I wouldn't expect them to issue an apology to National and the police for being total carnts about it
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