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@No-Quarter said in BOP Eruption?:
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@Mokey said in BOP Eruption?:
Re the families, to be fair I don't think Mr 20 mins helped at all in terms of their expectations. Body recovery can be tricky enough at the best of times and conditions, but this is an active volcano, and the bodies were blasted with gases and sulphuric acid and extreme heat. About the most delicate operation imaginable.
About as helpful as Winny wanking on about him going into the Pike River mine
Yeah, it's completely unsurprising that the re-entry into Pike River mine went from something straightforward to such a complex mission that requires extensive planning and constant re-schedules due to safety issues in the eyes of the Labour party as well as the soulless Winny. Their politicization of that is one of the darkest times in the party's history IMO, not something I'll ever forget.
Have they gone back in yet?
I haven't heard anything in the media so I assume not. I'd expect a photo of Cinda standing in hardhat with pensive droopy mouth at the entrance to hug the assembled families
I had to look it up. Still planning another attempt, so haven't completely given it away but they have to be close to cutting their losses. There's nothing to be gained.
I wouldn't expect them to issue an apology to National and the police for being total carnts about it
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#PaddyGower #20minutes
Wading through boiling, knee-deep acidic sludge, the team of experienced specialist soldiers tasked with recovering six bodies from Whakaari/White Island looked at each other in doubt.
The battle-hardened veterans from the Defence Force's SAS E Sqaudron team had never found themselves in a situation like this before.
“It was unbelievable, not a condition we train for or ever expect to operate in, it's just so much hotter than you could expect."
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@Donsteppa said in BOP Eruption?:
#PaddyGower #20minutes
Wading through boiling, knee-deep acidic sludge, the team of experienced specialist soldiers tasked with recovering six bodies from Whakaari/White Island looked at each other in doubt.
The battle-hardened veterans from the Defence Force's SAS E Sqaudron team had never found themselves in a situation like this before.
“It was unbelievable, not a condition we train for or ever expect to operate in, it's just so much hotter than you could expect."
So not a simple matter of just going and picking up the bodies like some of the victims families and the pilot were making out.
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@jegga said in BOP Eruption?:
@Donsteppa said in BOP Eruption?:
#PaddyGower #20minutes
Wading through boiling, knee-deep acidic sludge, the team of experienced specialist soldiers tasked with recovering six bodies from Whakaari/White Island looked at each other in doubt.
The battle-hardened veterans from the Defence Force's SAS E Sqaudron team had never found themselves in a situation like this before.
“It was unbelievable, not a condition we train for or ever expect to operate in, it's just so much hotter than you could expect."
So not a simple matter of just going and picking up the bodies like some of the victims families and the pilot were making out.
Easy as. The levels of sulpur dioxide were only a mere 30 times above normal on Tuesday.
(Yep, I'm still pretty mad at that whole aspect of it!)
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To be fair maybe that might have been the case if the pilots flew back on Monday, as the week went on of course tons of debris and ash rained down on the island plus it rained as well?
Super human effort by all involved in the rescue on Friday, nothing anyone could have trained for.
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@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
To be fair maybe that might have been the case if the pilots flew back on Monday, as the week went on of course tons of debris and ash rained down on the island plus it rained as well?
Super human effort by all involved in the rescue on Friday, nothing anyone could have trained for.
It will all come out in the wash eventually, but I’d be pretty sure GNS was still able to monitor those gas levels on Monday evening when the last search and rescue work on the Island itself ceased. Breathability likely got worse and worse.
Also at that stage, military/police/air ambulance helicopter and fixed wing transportation of critically burned patients from an overwhelmed Whakatane hospital to burns units throughout NZ became more urgent than retrieval of the deceased. Needing to divert those resources to potentially rescue (incredibly well meaning!) body retrievers from gas inhalation wasn’t something to risk throwing in the mix alongside everything else - while there was still vital work to be done for the living.
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@NTA said in BOP Eruption?:
That Gower bloke's opinion is secondary to his immensely punchable face
Must have Aussie blood in him...
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@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
@NTA said in BOP Eruption?:
That Gower bloke's opinion is secondary to his immensely punchable face
Must have Aussie blood in him...
What's your excuse? 🤔
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@Donsteppa firstly, who is Patrick Gower? Is he just a journo?
Secondly, has he changed his opinion at all?
And thirdly, @Virgil I can't see how the conditions that killed 15 people would have been less dangerous immediately after the event than as the week progressed. As @Donsteppa pointed out grief, anger and shock combined with a lack of understanding meant people making statements in misplaced hope.
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@Snowy said in BOP Eruption?:
That 20 minutes thing from the pilot is a bit daft to me. He wanted to take his giant fan over fields of volcanic ash to ingest into a turbine engine. They really don't play nicely together.
Re volcanic ash. The ash falls from Ruapehu in the late 90s were quite interesting. It looked soft and powdery like talcum powder, but it was as harsh and hard as broken glass. Horrible stuff. Can imagine what it would do to your engine.
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@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Snowy said in BOP Eruption?:
That 20 minutes thing from the pilot is a bit daft to me. He wanted to take his giant fan over fields of volcanic ash to ingest into a turbine engine. They really don't play nicely together.
Re volcanic ash. The ash falls from Ruapehu in the late 90s were quite interesting. It looked soft and powdery like talcum powder, but it was as harsh and hard as broken glass. Horribke stuff. Can imagine what it would do to your engine.
Yeah. I was flying turbo props in NZ at the time (was 95 from memory). Pretty much had a couple of weeks off. It basically gets melted into rock on the inside of the engine which increases the internal temp due to lack of airflow and you end up with a meltdown. Did a lot of training over the years to avoid it / get out of it. It's actually quite common and we stayed well clear of it. Creates spectacular St Elmo's fire on the windscreen in the sim. Lucky enough not have seen it for real.
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@NTA said in BOP Eruption?:
That Gower bloke's opinion is secondary to his immensely punchable face
I was stuck in traffic one day and looked out the window and saw that Uber cuck standing next to my Ute waiting to cross the road . Can confirm he has a face you’d struggle to tire of punching .
Those tweets are pretty typical of fuckwit Internet experts . There were similar ones doing the rounds after Pike river by people who’d never been near a mine insisting that after an explosion was the safest time to re-enter a mine .
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@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Snowy said in BOP Eruption?:
That 20 minutes thing from the pilot is a bit daft to me. He wanted to take his giant fan over fields of volcanic ash to ingest into a turbine engine. They really don't play nicely together.
Re volcanic ash. The ash falls from Ruapehu in the late 90s were quite interesting. It looked soft and powdery like talcum powder, but it was as harsh and hard as broken glass. Horrible stuff. Can imagine what it would do to your engine.
We drove through it in 1995 and it made the paint job on the truck look pretty shit . If it does that to paint I’d hate to think what it does to lungs .
But you know, pretty basic 20 minute job apparently.
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The internet is awesome, until tools like Gower use it to spread stupidity.
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@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Snowy said in BOP Eruption?:
That 20 minutes thing from the pilot is a bit daft to me. He wanted to take his giant fan over fields of volcanic ash to ingest into a turbine engine. They really don't play nicely together.
Re volcanic ash. The ash falls from Ruapehu in the late 90s were quite interesting. It looked soft and powdery like talcum powder, but it was as harsh and hard as broken glass. Horrible stuff. Can imagine what it would do to your engine.
Even worse if it gets in your eyes.
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@antipodean said in BOP Eruption?:
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@Snowy said in BOP Eruption?:
That 20 minutes thing from the pilot is a bit daft to me. He wanted to take his giant fan over fields of volcanic ash to ingest into a turbine engine. They really don't play nicely together.
Re volcanic ash. The ash falls from Ruapehu in the late 90s were quite interesting. It looked soft and powdery like talcum powder, but it was as harsh and hard as broken glass. Horrible stuff. Can imagine what it would do to your engine.
Even worse if it gets in your eyes.
Are you certain of that ? If it was I’m sure a recognised expert like a helicopter pilot or Paddy Gower would have mentioned it.
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@jegga said in BOP Eruption?:
@antipodean said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Snowy said in BOP Eruption?:
That 20 minutes thing from the pilot is a bit daft to me. He wanted to take his giant fan over fields of volcanic ash to ingest into a turbine engine. They really don't play nicely together.
Re volcanic ash. The ash falls from Ruapehu in the late 90s were quite interesting. It looked soft and powdery like talcum powder, but it was as harsh and hard as broken glass. Horrible stuff. Can imagine what it would do to your engine.
Even worse if it gets in your eyes.
Are you certain of that ? If it was I’m sure a recognised expert like a helicopter pilot or Paddy Gower would have mentioned it.
Obviously doesn't fuck with helicopter engines though....
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