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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
An interesting thought.
To me it highlights how irresponsible it's been to let the budget deficit blow out to a trillion dollars
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He is America's premier fail-son.
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I was watching a video of Trump getting interviewed by Fox, kind of hope Bernie gets the nomination now. If nothing else it'll be super entertaining, he already has some good (communist) material.
The Biden stuff was all focused on him losing his marbles. Not great for either of them really.
Not sure either of them can beat him really, they both have their issues and are going to have a hard time of it in a national campaign.
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@Tim said in US Politics:
@voodoo Sanders had been a pussy in the debates to date, but he went quite hard on Biden's record today, and Biden lied about a lot of it. Hope he gets fully scrutinized now in the media.
Of course he won't. He is the anointed one.
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Turns out it is a myth that Trump disbanded the pandemic unit.
I am shocked... the media lied and people got sucked in
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Turns out it is a myth that Trump disbanded the pandemic unit.
I am shocked... the media lied and people got sucked in
Actually I have run out of astonished faces. God I hope he is re-elected, if the world wants a recovery from this virus he needs to be in power to spear-head it. Even his haters have got to understand his value to creating an economy.
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Turns out it is a myth that Trump disbanded the pandemic unit.
I am shocked... the media lied and people got sucked in
Actually I have run out of astonished faces. God I hope he is re-elected, if the world wants a recovery from this virus he needs to be in power to spear-head it. Even his haters have got to understand his value to creating an economy.
You're going to have to expand on that last point for me.
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@antipodean His track record in getting the US economy booming. He has plenty of flaws but he at least seems to understand business.
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@antipodean His track record in getting the US economy booming. He has plenty of flaws but he at least seems to understand business.
I disagree. Ignoring his own personal well documented issues, what exactly has he done to get the economy booming? Or to put it another way, what policy changes demonstrate a marked departure from that of his predecessors other than setting new records for public sector profligacy, and what impact did those have on the economy?
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@antipodean His track record in getting the US economy booming. He has plenty of flaws but he at least seems to understand business.
I disagree. Ignoring his own personal well documented issues, what exactly has he done to get the economy booming? Or to put it another way, what policy changes demonstrate a marked departure from that of his predecessors other than setting new records for public sector profligacy, and what impact did those have on the economy?
Cutting of regulations, tariffs, strong arm tactics to get industry back into the US...
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@antipodean His track record in getting the US economy booming. He has plenty of flaws but he at least seems to understand business.
I disagree. Ignoring his own personal well documented issues, what exactly has he done to get the economy booming? Or to put it another way, what policy changes demonstrate a marked departure from that of his predecessors other than setting new records for public sector profligacy, and what impact did those have on the economy?
Cutting of regulations, tariffs, strong arm tactics to get industry back into the US...
That and which in turn gives business confidence. I don't see such confidence if the election goes to an dementia patient or an elderly communist.
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@antipodean His track record in getting the US economy booming. He has plenty of flaws but he at least seems to understand business.
I disagree. Ignoring his own personal well documented issues, what exactly has he done to get the economy booming? Or to put it another way, what policy changes demonstrate a marked departure from that of his predecessors other than setting new records for public sector profligacy, and what impact did those have on the economy?
Cutting of regulations, tariffs, strong arm tactics to get industry back into the US...
That and which in turn gives business confidence. I don't see such confidence if the election goes to an dementia patient or an elderly communist.
So the tariffs he imposed? The additional federal debt after he said he'd reduce it? Any manufacturing that is being on-shored is doing so because of the cost benefits of reduced logistics to market and automation. Record levels of bankruptcies in shale oil producers following his plan to eliminate the Climate Action Plan and pursue America First Energy? How's trade for the farmers over the course of his presidency? How many jobs created in coal?
This isn't a partisan issue for me, but to pretend Trump is some sort of economic mastermind is ludicrous.
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@antipodean So do you think Biden or Bernie are likely to inspire more business confidence?
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@antipodean So do you think Biden or Bernie are likely to inspire more business confidence?
None of them inspire me with any confidence. The only thing that's assured is Biden will continue with the Democrat policies I suspect more Clinton than Obama in effect.
Sanders would be interesting but ultimately futile - how's he going to get his vision past Congress when even his own party is against him?
Quite frankly the US Constitution should've mandated anyone over retirement age couldn't be President either.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@antipodean His track record in getting the US economy booming. He has plenty of flaws but he at least seems to understand business.
I disagree. Ignoring his own personal well documented issues, what exactly has he done to get the economy booming? Or to put it another way, what policy changes demonstrate a marked departure from that of his predecessors other than setting new records for public sector profligacy, and what impact did those have on the economy?
Cutting of regulations, tariffs, strong arm tactics to get industry back into the US...
That and which in turn gives business confidence. I don't see such confidence if the election goes to an dementia patient or an elderly communist.
So the tariffs he imposed? The additional federal debt after he said he'd reduce it? Any manufacturing that is being on-shored is doing so because of the cost benefits of reduced logistics to market and automation. Record levels of bankruptcies in shale oil producers following his plan to eliminate the Climate Action Plan and pursue America First Energy? How's trade for the farmers over the course of his presidency? How many jobs created in coal?
This isn't a partisan issue for me, but to pretend Trump is some sort of economic mastermind is ludicrous.
I dont think he is an economic mastermind, so you can store away that strawman.
I think he has done a really good job, eliminating costly regulations, pressuring industry to produce in the US and many potehr things.
I am not much interested in your narrow focussed gotchas' . The 'Trump entire economic success is false because turnip farmers in south Dakota are struggling' argument does not interest me. The bif indicators were all tracking in great directions, you seem to think it is a fluke, or legacy of Obama, I think that is ludicrous. -
Not sure if anybody else remembers when Bob Mueller and the DOJ was going to prosecute Russians for interfering in the 2016 election.... very quietly, prosecutors today dropped the charges and the judge just dismissed the case. Rachel Maddow and Don Lemon were losing their minds about this a year ago. I suspect it won’t receive even a minor mention now.
Justice Dept. Moves to Drop Charges Against Russian Firms Filed by Mueller
WASHINGTON — The Justice Department moved on Monday to drop charges against two Russian shell companies accused of financing schemes to interfere in the 2016 election, saying that they were exploiting the case to gain access to delicate information that Russia could weaponize.
The companies, Concord Management and Concord Consulting, were charged in 2018 in an indictment secured by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, along with 13 Russians and another company, the Internet Research Agency. Prosecutors said they operated a sophisticated scheme to use social media to spread disinformation, exploit American social divisions and try to subvert the 2016 election.
Unlike the others under indictment, Concord fought the charges in court. But instead of trying to defend itself, Concord seized on the case to obtain confidential information from prosecutors, then mount a campaign of information warfare, a senior Justice Department official said. [...]
“Weaponized” information. Sure. I reckon they didn’t have SFA, Concord is making clowns of them, and they’re trying to save face.
It’s been said by others, but bears repeating, with the half-a-billion Michael Bloomberg spent he should have hired these Rooskies. They got Trump elected on a $100K budget, of which over half was spent after the election.
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