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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Absolute opposite here in Japan.
I’m on the train right now - if you can believe it and please forgive the digression, we have a seminar today about using online learning tools that you have to attend in person!! Fkn nuts 🤪
Anyway, the train is at normal capacity for this time of day, and everyone, bar one person I can see (a teenager), is wearing a mask.
Exactly. But much of that is a question of population density. Same in Taiwan, China, South Korea etc, perception counts for much
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@No-Quarter The chances of transmitting the virus when you are asymptomatic are believed to be so low as to be statistically zero.
As I said earlier masks are mainly a placebo but if your that freaked PM me and I'll see if I can send you some.
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@No-Quarter the microbiologist had a different take. Said that gloves and masks might give some comfort from anxiety etc but our typical behaviours to wearing them (ie doing something different) means we end up touching our face more, don't know how to take the gloves off without transferring germs, and likely end up getting less vigilant about hand washing.
Her main focus was the 2m distance, coughing into your elbow and washing, washing, washing. So they might (in optimal circumstances) help but she was very dubious that would be the case.
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@canefan guess tomorrow wil be an indicator on how people are behaving...although expect a spike in community spread infections form today with all these people getting thier last fix of a $5 pair of undies from K-Mart or an Easter egg form the warehouse today
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan guess tomorrow wil be an indicator on how people are behaving...although expect a spike in community spread infections form today with all these people getting thier last fix of a $5 pair of undies from K-Mart or an Easter egg form the warehouse today
Got my easter eggs yesterday
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan guess tomorrow wil be an indicator on how people are behaving...although expect a spike in community spread infections form today with all these people getting thier last fix of a $5 pair of undies from K-Mart or an Easter egg form the warehouse today
Yeah I expect heaps of people to drive to the coast to the beach or go fishing, which they shouldn't be doing
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@Machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan guess tomorrow wil be an indicator on how people are behaving...although expect a spike in community spread infections form today with all these people getting thier last fix of a $5 pair of undies from K-Mart or an Easter egg form the warehouse today
Yeah I expect heaps of people to drive to the coast to the beach or go fishing, which they shouldn't be doing
Absolutely they shouldn't.
The thing I can't answer is if I lived on the coast very remotely, would I go fishing (Surfcasting)? The answer is probably yes. If I was at Whangamata, the answer would be a resounding no.
I guess if you are in a place where no one will see you then it probably doesn't really matter even though they shouldn't
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@Machpants think I saw on the news some locals stopping people at Whakapara....plus HOne Harawira is doing the same further north
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Machpants think I saw on the news some locals stopping people at Whakapara....plus HOne Harawira is doing the same further north
Hone making himself useful
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Last night pretty much everything was shut down locally except Countdown, a barbers and the local "massage parlour"
WHY?
I guess some may want some tender loving in a time of stress but I don't imagine that would meet even the loosest definition of social isolation.
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in better news, we got our 6 rescue hens last night, and already they have given us 3 eggs, which is more than our other 9 have given us today...man they look in a state though, think about 12+ months in cages, now they are crusing round 400sqm+...one of them was scared of a bunch of crickets, that I assume they have never seen.
Clearly much more gratetful of the home we gave them than the ones that have been freeloading for weeks.
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Question for the collective fern. My SIL works at a small business. She's been told she'll need to take annual leave during the lockdown period, presumably using her available annual leave up until they start paying her again.
Unsure if the business is down on takings and qualifies for the subsidy, although it's a bit murky if the latest changes (to remove the 150k cap per employer) also included anything about showing a 30% drop in revenue...
One employment lawyer said employers would likely need to keep paying staff unless they had a pandemic clause in the contract, but that this could lead to redundancies. But nothing more solid than that soundbyte.
Has anyone run into any better info or advice?
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They are probably relying on this
If an employer regularly closes down for a holiday period or seasonal break and requires employees to take annual holidays (or take unpaid time off) this is referred to as an ‘annual closedown' and it can occur:
across an entire workplace, or
for part of an organisation (eg where a factory closes for maintenance while the office, dispatch and sales departments stay open).
This often happens at Christmas time, but some seasonal industries have closedowns at the end of a particular season. An employer can close down different parts of the workplace at different times.
The employer may have a customary closedown once a year and require employees to take annual holidays during the period of the closedown, as long as they give employees 14 days’ notice. -
@dogmeat thanks for that mate. That's the fuller version of that 14 day notice bit I read about. In the (stuff - meh) article they said the lack of ability to provide 14 days notice could go either way around having to use leave or not, or whether they can frame the sudden pandemic to align with a customary closedown period...
The latter sounds a bit wobbly imo but if you ran with it an employer could say "here is 14 days notice as of today - we'll pay you as usual (or via the subsidy) for the first 2 weeks of lockdown then your A/L kicks in".
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https://www.employment.govt.nz/about/news-and-updates/workplace-response-coronavirus-covid-19/
That's the official MBIE site for employment relations, so should be reasonably accurate.
A closedown might be an option for some businesses, or giving 14 days' notice of taking annual leave. The latter option requires that the employee has a leave entitlement (entitlements arise after an anniversary, so this will only be applicable for people with more than a year at their current employer who haven't already used all their leave).
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan guess tomorrow wil be an indicator on how people are behaving...although expect a spike in community spread infections form today with all these people getting thier last fix of a $5 pair of undies from K-Mart or an Easter egg form the warehouse today
Yeah I expect heaps of people to drive to the coast to the beach or go fishing, which they shouldn't be doing
Absolutely they shouldn't.
The thing I can't answer is if I lived on the coast very remotely, would I go fishing (Surfcasting)? The answer is probably yes. If I was at Whangamata, the answer would be a resounding no.
I guess if you are in a place where no one will see you then it probably doesn't really matter even though they shouldn't
I'm in this situation. Beach is 50m away and rocks about 200m. Unlikely to see anyone if I go fishing but its a big IF whether I will go or not. Daily beach run will happen though, or at least a quick ride around the street for fresh air. Golf course is across the road - might get some frisbee in but thats about it
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