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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Think of it as half a dozen islands. Those islands are relatively dense.
A quick google search yields the following population density numbers
Average London 5,590 people per square km
Average NYC 25,846 people per square Km
Greater Melbourne 508.175 people per square Km
Dramatic differences
Why would you compare the density of cities with "greater Melbourne" which is largely urbanised? The same issue with Sydney if you include Western Sydney it dramatically alters the numbers.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Think of it as half a dozen islands. Those islands are relatively dense.
A quick google search yields the following population density numbers
Average London 5,590 people per square km
Average NYC 25,846 people per square Km
Greater Melbourne 508.175 people per square Km
Dramatic differences
Why would you compare the density of cities with "greater Melbourne" which is largely urbanised? The same issue with Sydney if you include Western Sydney it dramatically alters the numbers.
I'm happy for you to post those numbers (greater knowledge of the topography), I'm curious to see if my assertion holds up
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Think of it as half a dozen islands. Those islands are relatively dense.
A quick google search yields the following population density numbers
Average London 5,590 people per square km
Average NYC 25,846 people per square Km
Greater Melbourne 508.175 people per square Km
Dramatic differences
Why would you compare the density of cities with "greater Melbourne" which is largely urbanised? The same issue with Sydney if you include Western Sydney it dramatically alters the numbers.
I'm happy for you to post those numbers (greater knowledge of the topography), I'm curious to see if my assertion holds up
It's clear to me that a multitude of factors are at play. Population density must surely play a part in the ease of transmission. The fastidiousness with which populations clean themselves etc. That alone explains to me why Tokyo hasn't exploded despite an aged population, tremendous reliance on public transport and high density living.
Here in the ACT some commentators are using our innate social distancing resulting from the layout of the place as a reason for the low spread.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Think of it as half a dozen islands. Those islands are relatively dense.
A quick google search yields the following population density numbers
Average London 5,590 people per square km
Average NYC 25,846 people per square Km
Greater Melbourne 508.175 people per square Km
Dramatic differences
Why would you compare the density of cities with "greater Melbourne" which is largely urbanised? The same issue with Sydney if you include Western Sydney it dramatically alters the numbers.
I'm happy for you to post those numbers (greater knowledge of the topography), I'm curious to see if my assertion holds up
It's clear to me that a multitude of factors are at play. Population density must surely play a part in the ease of transmission. The fastidiousness with which populations clean themselves etc. That alone explains to me why Tokyo hasn't exploded despite an aged population, tremendous reliance on public transport and high density living.
Here in the ACT some commentators are using our innate social distancing resulting from the layout of the place as a reason for the low spread.
Mrs CF works with a Japanese woman. Was zooming her today and apparently the government are raising the awareness level again because cases are growing apparently. And there is some lock down fatigue setting in (apparently the government aren't allowed to order a lockdown, can only recommend)
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Think of it as half a dozen islands. Those islands are relatively dense.
A quick google search yields the following population density numbers
Average London 5,590 people per square km
Average NYC 25,846 people per square Km
Greater Melbourne 508.175 people per square Km
Dramatic differences
Why would you compare the density of cities with "greater Melbourne" which is largely urbanised? The same issue with Sydney if you include Western Sydney it dramatically alters the numbers.
I'm happy for you to post those numbers (greater knowledge of the topography), I'm curious to see if my assertion holds up
It's clear to me that a multitude of factors are at play. Population density must surely play a part in the ease of transmission. The fastidiousness with which populations clean themselves etc. That alone explains to me why Tokyo hasn't exploded despite an aged population, tremendous reliance on public transport and high density living.
Here in the ACT some commentators are using our innate social distancing resulting from the layout of the place as a reason for the low spread.
Overall health is a key thing too in my opinion. Japan & South Korea have probably some of the healthiest populations in the world.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Think of it as half a dozen islands. Those islands are relatively dense.
A quick google search yields the following population density numbers
Average London 5,590 people per square km
Average NYC 25,846 people per square Km
Greater Melbourne 508.175 people per square Km
Dramatic differences
Why would you compare the density of cities with "greater Melbourne" which is largely urbanised? The same issue with Sydney if you include Western Sydney it dramatically alters the numbers.
I'm happy for you to post those numbers (greater knowledge of the topography), I'm curious to see if my assertion holds up
It's clear to me that a multitude of factors are at play. Population density must surely play a part in the ease of transmission. The fastidiousness with which populations clean themselves etc. That alone explains to me why Tokyo hasn't exploded despite an aged population, tremendous reliance on public transport and high density living.
Here in the ACT some commentators are using our innate social distancing resulting from the layout of the place as a reason for the low spread.
Mrs CF works with a Japanese woman. Was zooming her today and apparently the government are raising the awareness level again because cases are growing apparently. And there is some lock down fatigue setting in (apparently the government aren't allowed to order a lockdown, can only recommend)
The lock down fatigue I understand. A Japanese friend of my wife who lives in Hong Kong has been WFH since December so although I'm getting a little irritated by people saying I shouldn't go for a ride to break the cabin fever I keep in mind others aren't as fortunate. And I maintain hope that our public figures use reason now that the panicking should have subsided.
I'm somewhat surprised at my own reaction given this was once my life:
The big difference was I voluntarily participated and enjoyed it...
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China bought up a lot of our PPE before it hit here
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/120927408/new-zealanders-caught-short-after-masks-sent-to-china
And this from Seymour shows @canefan is not the only person that has heard from frontline health workers who say they don't have the gear they need:
Act leader David Seymour said the Government needed to "come clean" on PPE.
"[Reports of a shortage] clearly signal there's an issue with the raw materials, the manufacturing, or the logistics. But we're also told by David Clark and Ashley Bloomfield that the Ministry of Health has sufficient stocks of PPE ready to be used.
"Either we're swimming in PPE, as the Minister and Director-General keep telling us, or frontline health workers can't get it, as they keep telling us. Both stories can't be true.
"Clearly the problem is that the Ministry and the district health boards are not doing a competent job of getting existing PPE to frontline health workers."
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A comparison.
Spoke with my brother in Ta$man yesterday. Where I am in Australia is very similar to Ta$man in population and way of life, I'd say. Imagine a largely rural area with a central town of 25k (Blenheim size in this example) and a radius of about 100-250 kms emanating out to a population of about 50-70k.
How does life in that equivalent area in NZ compare to one in Aus as of last night?
We deliver freight for TNT and Startrack (Auspost parcel courier arm) in the 25k town, so I know everything that's open and who's still trading and who's decided to sit it out and what residential deliveries there are from online shopping and the volume of commerce going on, essentially.
Here's whats open for business, just like pre lockdown.
Supermarkets
Pharmacies
Bunnings, Mitre 10, all tradie suppliers, even mom and pop ones
Music shop,
sports shops
fishing shop
every bakery
every corner shop and petrol station roadhouse
All the butchers and fruiterers
A coffee shop
All the fast food outlets
Rural supplies places, all of them
All farming vehicles and machinery shops
Tradies, all of them. Mate got the slab for his new GJ Gardner house poured yesterday
Specsavers
vets
Big W, Kmart
Computer places and retails
Harvey Norman
The key cutting guy in the mall
about 30 -50% clothing retail (chicks shops) are open but online stock is being delivered
All the council staff still mowing and leaning on shovels
Golf courses are open and being tended to. Lots of golfers yesterday arvo
Timber mills, log trucking
All car repairs and garages andcar shops, supercheap repco etc
All heavy engineering companies
All car yards and wreckers
Earthworks and road works
Farming
Curtains and furniture shops
A sewing shop
Car stereo repair places
The pubs sell take away counter meals
All bottleshops, Dan murphys and pub bottlos
dollar shops
Spotlight and haberdasheries
window washers
car detailers
many many lawn mowing services
home handyman and repair services
All the trucking and freight companiesyou get the picture.
All those people employed above going to work everyday as usual, pretty much. Absolutely many are watching all their profitability slide before them and for many being open and trading is a daily disappointment in turnover, but at least it's something, and they're doing something, according to them.
There are no supermarket queues here, just an in door and out door. Everyone observes the distancing with willingness.
If you need to buy anything at the moment you drive to the shop, get what you want and go back home. Shops are very empty but a trickle of traffic and more delivery options for people to consume. Many having a crack at online selling. (Did I hear no door to door courier deliveries in NZ???) A slight swelling in residential deliveries and people buying the usual, cosmetics, camping gear, car accessories, and expecting that to increase.Closed for business and no way to even trickle in revenue:
Pubs
RSL
Cafes
Restauarants
Gyms
Office workers working from home a lot is another disruptionThere'll be others I think of later but talking with the bro, both parties were a bit surprised at the difference the ditch makes.
So that's a comparison of life in oz vs nz at the minute. No judgement intended, just observations. I don't know much about the scene in NZ currently, but it sounds a bit different
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@Siam there are still courier deliveries, my butcher is re-opening on Monday for online sales and delivery only (his own delivery van) and is offering free delivery for pretty much all over Whangarei, I am about 16km from his shop and my delivery is Wednesday.
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@taniwharugby that's good to hear mate.
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The models were all grossly wrong. We wrecked our economy and many lives for no good reason
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How the fuck did NZs full regimented lock down result in only 15 less cases than Australia yesterday?
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Same here in the US. Some places have it bad but they have almost everyone on lockdown.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
How the fuck did NZs full regimented lock down result in only 15 less cases than Australia yesterday?
Because our lockdown was a monumental mistake.
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Oh good another University professor telling us it is all ok that people are being ruined. Hi specialty of 'ethics' probably doesn't extend to voluntarily going without pay for a couple of years until the recession is over... and then giving his house away. That sort of pain is for others.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120956042/lets-not-end-lockdown-early
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Problem with our go hard and go early strategy is there was a big hole in it...and all the early cases were coming in through it.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Oh good another University professor telling us it is all ok that people are being ruined. Hi specialty of 'ethics' probably doesn't extend to voluntarily going without pay for a couple of years until the recession is over... and then giving his house away. That sort of pain is for others.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120956042/lets-not-end-lockdown-early
The global applause for a response that doesn't seem to be working that well.
Whatever have all the people breathlessly wanting Australia to become part of NZ gone?
Coronavirus - New Zealand