Coronavirus - New Zealand
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Absolutely sick death of the govt propaganda being repeated by the media that NZ was on the same trajectory as Italy and Spain, that is just bullshit.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Absolutely sick death of the govt propaganda being repeated by the media that NZ was on the same trajectory as Italy and Spain, that is just bullshit.
Are you? You poor thing, of all the things to make you sick. You seem to be taking this harder than most I have seen or heard of.
The doom and gloom around everything is kind of funny to watch unravel
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo come on, that’s not necessary.
There is nothing wrong with being sceptical and questioning the government’s PR.
Especially when they use a dodgy line of logic.
I agree. I certainly don't mind the question being asked of.
I just don't agree with the utter despair that ole mate is portraying.
I think we will see this out and go through a bit of hurt and all carry on.
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Some people are going to be more effected than others. My life has barely changed.
Baron has had suicidal people calling him desperate about their future.
We should care even if doesn’t effect us. That hurt is going to devastating for some people. We should be trying to minimise it as much as possible
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Some people are going to be more effected than others. My life has barely changed.
Baron has had suicidal people calling him desperate about their future.
We should care even if doesn’t effect us. That hurt is going to devastating for some people. We should be trying to minimise it as much as possible
Yeah I get that, I don't care enough, I have to admit as I'm selfish in that way. I worry about people close to me not people that I have never met.
I just think some are over-reacting and that is their prerogative, I get that.
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
GET FUCKED:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12323354
What else do your betters determine is bad for you?
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Absolutely sick death of the govt propaganda being repeated by the media that NZ was on the same trajectory as Italy and Spain, that is just bullshit.
Are you? You poor thing, of all the things to make you sick. You seem to be taking this harder than most I have seen or heard of.
The doom and gloom around everything is kind of funny to watch unravel
Oh you seem to have misunderstood, I will be personally fine regardless. If my business fails I have separated my properties and other business from the at risk business.
I am not that stressed out for myself, I am stressed out for some people who work for me, they are good men who have hard lives and tough childhoods. I used to think I understood that as I grew up very working class.... but I didn't really, I still don't, ...but I am closer.
When I read your post it didn't fire me up, it just reminded me of many people I know, good people, but completely and utterly out of touch with the struggling and incredibly spoilt by years of advantage. And I am sure I am taking it harder than most you know, but likely says more about the people you know.
As I get older I appreciate 2 things more and more, 1) personal liberty and freedom 2) A proper safety net to help the struggling.
So yeah the govt actions attack both those things that I cherish. I think becoming a Dad also changed my attitude as our generation is squandering so many basic freedoms at break neck speed... and whilst I will be fine because I will be able to finance my own future, my kids are growing up in a different and less free world , so if all a middle age middle class guy can do is argue his case on the internet, I will, and I won't let some other middle aged middle class guy being an obnoxious ostrich deter me.
I know I am in the minority, and your attitude is the majority. But I don't care as I believe what I believe. And the majority usually have no idea what the heck they talking about. Of course you take that to the next level by not only having little idea, but you mock others for caring.
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I think two things can be true with the NZ response (as we sit here right now).
Firstly, it has served to lessen the impact of the disease from potentially very nasty to very manageable. It may never have been as bad as Italy, but still it could have resulted in hundreds or thousands of unnecessary deaths.
Secondly, it may have been possible to achieve similar results with a lighter touch that doesn't have the same impact on business and the economy.
From my outside view it seemed like Ardern and her team took a punt on a hard, fast lockdown that would see NZ fall to zero cases and a Corona-free nation. They could then prosper while the world rids itself of the disease, and quickly make up the impact of the harder lockdown.
But if NZ can't get to that zero-case world (which we're not sure is even possible), then the harder lockdown might have all been a bit too much. Might be too early to tell, and it's certainly not a worst case scenario regardless, but it might not be as amazing a move as some are making it out to be.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
But if NZ can't get to that zero-case world (which we're not sure is even possible), then the harder lockdown might have all been a bit too much. Might be too early to tell, and it's certainly not a worst case scenario regardless, but it might not be as amazing a move as some are making it out to be.
100%. Was saying this at the dinner table tonight. The upside could be massive - if we have largely eliminated it from the population. If not, then it was a massive cost to bear for limited upside
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Despite my open skepticism of the NZ response and the effusive praise from the Ardern PR machine I loved the decisiveness of it.
I think a decent call given the circumstances.
Three weeks later, though, the cracks appear - backtracking on who can do what, and being inconsistent in picking 'winners'. Still, I'd far rather be here than anywhere else in the world right now
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Despite my open skepticism of the NZ response and the effusive praise from the Ardern PR machine I loved the decisiveness of it.
It’s always been the best way to get shit done. Nothing half assed.
Decisive in how they present it, sure. Like closing the borders, but then not keeping track of people once they land.
They talk a good game.
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@nzzp yeah for me, I reckon when we went into lockdown, they needed to lock the borders up to all non-NZ citizens/residents and those returning into a GOvt facility for testing and iso.
Or, there are some that will argue, stay at L3 and lockdown our borders would have been sufficient...
Obviously the >taken with large spoon of salt< figures out of China are encouraging, similarly the numbers coming out of Italy the past 4 or 5 days are encouraging, but the toll there is huge, so things seem to have a way of levelling out, but its the human cost vs the economic cost that has been discussed as well...there will be a lingering human cost as the economic cost bites too.
I cant see how we dont come out after 4 weeks, but how they manage this will be interesting, I expect I will have to keep working from home (cos I can) with my kids being home schooled...I might bring back the cane!
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan fair comment, but that’s not really possible IMHO.
Closing borders and publishing stories of arresting surfers, road blocks etc is still one hell of a statement.
Why not? Once they made the decision to restrict entry, individual honesty wasn't going to cut it. They could have locked down all entrants for the full period, or done a Taiwan and used burner phones or apps to make sure people didn't break their self isolation. And no tourists
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan fair comment, but that’s not really possible IMHO.
Closing borders and publishing stories of arresting surfers, road blocks etc is still one hell of a statement.
Why not? Once they made the decision to restrict entry, individual honesty wasn't going to cut it. They could have locked down all entrants for the full period, or done a Taiwan and used burner phones or apps to make sure people didn't break their self isolation. And no tourists
And this could have let us trial level 3 for a few weeks
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan I need to elaborate as my post doesn't look right. I do care about BSG, just not the people he speaks of. (In the same way in that I read about people dying that I have never known before, I don't care about that)
If that makes sense
I'm afraid it doesn't.
To my mind you if you don't care about those people who you've never met you wouldn't abide by the lockdown.
Because I'm pretty sure you do care about everybody affected by this you DO abide by the lockdown.
It's finding the balance between lives and life that I'm not sure we've got 100% right yet.