Coronavirus - Overall
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Re: Italy?
Yes, has been articles on it already. E.g. the Economist examing some subsets. Already linked previously.
But, Interesting to see the official nationwide data release, even if it is a month old. But, of an open western nation most avanced through the pandemic cycle. (although, also the most extreme western case)
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@Rapido There's multiple mutations but I think the notion of a 'bad' strain and a more benign one has been discredited.
e.g. my understanding is NZ has multiple variants some from Italy, Iran and China. I think at last count there have been 16 different strains sequenced but that fortunately to date COVID has not mutated into anything more virulent.
@taniwharugby yeah there's a wealth of analysis going on looking at the number of reported deaths compared to the historical averages with multiple studies showing large gaps even after COVID deaths are factored in.
Makes sense when you look at how various countries are reporting cases. It's why Bloomfield starting giving us the confirmed number separately as that's what many countries including Oz, USA, UK are reporting.
In the last few days countries like Peru, UK , US have all had major spikes in deaths because they have chosen to include previously unreported deaths. Until recently UK was only counting a COVID death if you died in hospital.
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Professor Neil Ferguson of the UK SAGE committee has resigned for breaking the lockdown twice to visit his mistress.
Couldn't care less about his love life but getting tough to take the lockdown seriously when the people who put it in place clearly don't really believe in it themselves.
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Ironically his mistress is Ms Staats.
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@sparky said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Professor Neil Ferguson of the UK SAGE committee has resigned for breaking the lockdown twice to visit his mistress.
Couldn't care less about his love life but getting tough to take the lockdown seriously when the people who put it in place clearly don't really believe in it themselves.
Especially after his half a million will die messaging. Guess he didn't believe that modelling either.
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Airlines and airports must adopt even more measures against the spread of COVID-19:
Passengers should be screened for elevated temperatures and all employees should be required to wear masks and gloves, according to prepared testimony by Hilary Godwin, dean of the University of Washington's School of Public Health.
Screening makes sense during pandemics if the test can be accurate.
What other good ideas does Hilary have?
In-flight seating, she said, must be arranged so that people aren't too close together, and airports have to be reshaped to promote social distancing.
She recommended dramatic changes to how airport terminals looked before the pandemic, when passengers clustered in boarding areas, restaurants and security lines. Now, there should be social distancing in all those areas, she said.
Bitch, do you know what an arseache it was like to fly before this?
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@antipodean I am sure the airlines will be happy with losing profits due to fewer seats, or the passengers will appreciate being charged extra
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Airlines and airports must adopt even more measures against the spread of COVID-19:
Passengers should be screened for elevated temperatures and all employees should be required to wear masks and gloves, according to prepared testimony by Hilary Godwin, dean of the University of Washington's School of Public Health.
Bitch, do you know what an arseache it was like to fly before this?
I don’t give a goddamn. I fly up the front, the rest of you can suck the plague or not, don’t care.
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@JC said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Airlines and airports must adopt even more measures against the spread of COVID-19:
Passengers should be screened for elevated temperatures and all employees should be required to wear masks and gloves, according to prepared testimony by Hilary Godwin, dean of the University of Washington's School of Public Health.
Bitch, do you know what an arseache it was like to fly before this?
I don’t give a goddamn. I fly up the front, the rest of you can suck the plague or not, don’t care.
BAN THIS ELITEST fluffybunny!!!!
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@JC said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Airlines and airports must adopt even more measures against the spread of COVID-19:
Passengers should be screened for elevated temperatures and all employees should be required to wear masks and gloves, according to prepared testimony by Hilary Godwin, dean of the University of Washington's School of Public Health.
Bitch, do you know what an arseache it was like to fly before this?
I don’t give a goddamn. I fly up the front, the rest of you can suck the plague or not, don’t care.
I don't care about the peasants in the back, it's getting from the kerb to the lounge that's the problem.
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you too
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@Billy-Tell said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Ironically his mistress is Ms Staats.
Always suspected Neil Fergusson was massaging and fiddling his Staats.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Billy-Tell said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Ironically his mistress is Ms Staats.
Always suspected Neil Fergusson was massaging and fiddling his Staats.
Well played
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This is not a glowing endorsement of Britain's covid-19 response.
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Just had the following comment on the Coronavirus crisis from a Facebook friend which struck a chord. (He recently retired as a v. successful CEO and is a seriously top bloke )
"Leaders make their decisions under time pressure and looking through the blurred front windscreen, obscured by bad weather and lots of fast moving obstacles.
Historians look through the rear windscreen with the benefit of all the factual information available with total hindsight.
Commentators criticise with minimal knowledge and zero consequences of action
Most journalists will just write any old crap."*
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I'm wary of reading too much into articles like this.
A lot of the people quoted criticising the government on Coronavirus too often turn out to have seriously political axes to grind and often what's said turns out to be laughable bollocks or so biased as to be useless. The Sunday Times article and the Panorama PPE programme being two cases in point.
Of course there have made fuck-ups and wrong decisions taken, but it's way too early to say if they should have been different based on what was known at the time or which politician was in charge.
Not that you'd expect don't expect the UK media to understand this or do much serious fact-checking or analysis......
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
This is not a glowing endorsement of Britain's covid-19 response.
Very interesting article, @antipodean . Touches on the obvious weak spot in UK response.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm wary of reading too much into articles like this.
A lot of the people quoted criticising the government on Coronavirus too often turn out to have seriously political axes to grind and often what's said turns out to be laughable bollocks or so biased as to be useless. The Sunday Times article and the Panorama PPE programme being two cases in point.
Couldn't agree more.
Of course there have made fuck-ups and wrong decisions taken, but it's way too early to say if they should have been different based on what was known at the time or which politician was in charge.
Not that you'd expect don't expect the UK media to understand this or do much serious fact-checking or analysis......
@Victor-Meldrew I entirely agree about the tendency of press to make Harry Hindsight judgements.
However, in this case, the vulnerability of care homes was apparent as far back as mid-March.
The most critical lockdown was to care homes. The plan should have been to test carers DAILY and eliminate visitors.
In other words to aim to keep CV right out of the system.
In practice, I suspect there were at least two problems:
- Shortage of testing materials; and
- Insufficient back up staff. On the basis a fair number of carers tested positive, where could the reserves be sourced from?
Nevertheless, the imperatives weren't hard to identify, so to my mind had the Government been on the ball (or not so focused on NHS) I'd have thought by Easter a proper plan could have been put in place.
That would have allowed a bigger relaxation now.
As is, it seems only yesterday that it was admitted at the daily briefing there WAS a problem.
Having said ALL that, care homes aside, I don't think UK has done a bad job.