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@No-Quarter said in US Politics:
I think a lot of Trump's success comes not from him being some kind of genius, but that he's very much a 'doer' in that he doesn't overthink anything, he just dives head first into whatever project captures his attention.
That can lead to wildly varying results - sometimes spectacularly successful and other times an absolute disaster, which is probably reflected in his career leading into being President.
I'm not sure those are great attributes for the President to have TBH, and by God he needs to learn to shut up during those pressers as he comes across as a fucking moron when he's talking on subjects that he knows little about.
It's all OK. We are safe under the real president. (That android thing called Jared)
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
If Trump is an idiot, what does that make the people he beat ?????
Perhaps not as smart as they think they are......Well, they did select Hilary Clinton - the candidate who thought it a good idea to insult voters by calling them "deplorables"
Or Trump is smarter than he appears......in a streetwise cunning kind of way.
He's lots of unpleasant things, does loads of dumb stuff but he no idiot.
I see zero evidence that he's not an idiot. Plenty of people have voted for him, and the democrats have been shit - but those things don't mean he's not an idiot. Whereas pretty much whenever he opens his mouth he supports the assertion that he is an idiot.
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I'd add that selecting Hillary wasn't actually a bad decision. She totally should have won that election, it was absolutely hers to lose.
But a combination of poor decisions and complacency cost her by a very small margin. I'm not sure who ran her campaign, but it really was appalling. Though don't get me started on her blame-everyone-else-in-the-world-but-me line since then!
Since then the Dems have been a total clusterfuck, so insanely unable to exploit Trumps weaknesses, and so pathetically poor at developing a worthy candidate to challenge.
Surely it's inevitable now that we will see 4 more years of Trump. Biden is going to get eaten alive in the debates.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
If Trump is an idiot, what does that make the people he beat ?????
Perhaps not as smart as they think they are......Well, they did select Hilary Clinton - the candidate who thought it a good idea to insult voters by calling them "deplorables"
Or Trump is smarter than he appears......in a streetwise cunning kind of way.
He's lots of unpleasant things, does loads of dumb stuff but he no idiot.
I see zero evidence that he's not an idiot. Plenty of people have voted for him, and the democrats have been shit - but those things don't mean he's not an idiot. Whereas pretty much whenever he opens his mouth he supports the assertion that he is an idiot.
Have to disagree. At the very least, he's less of an idiot than his opponents.
He figured out very early on that the media & Democrats would go into meltdown if he won and he exploited that ruthlessly which has strengthened his anti-Washington-Elite credentials among voters.
Example: He attacks and winds up Pelosi and she falls into his trap by tearing up the State of the Union address on live TV, lowering herself to his level.
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It's difficult to pretend he's much of an intellect given his demonstrated history as a braggart, blowhard and buffoon. What he does seem to have is a considerable cohort of conspiracists and idiots willing to believe he's playing 4D chess. That and unlike a sizeable proportion of the political elite in the USA, he understands and panders to his electorate.
If the Democrats had any sense, Biden would've been arseholed out of the contest a long time ago.
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@voodoo said in US Politics:
I'd add that selecting Hillary wasn't actually a bad decision. She totally should have won that election, it was absolutely hers to lose.
She was probbly the best minnow in a very shallow pool, but she came across as entitled, clumsy and pretty much out of touch with Joe Public. From what I read, people were tiring from Obama's gesture politics and wanted someone, anyone who'd actually do stuff.
Yeah, the Democrats look a real mess. In fact US Politics - and the media - looks a real mess. Perhaps the Virus Crisis will cause the political establishment to take a good, long look at itself.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@voodoo said in US Politics:
I'd add that selecting Hillary wasn't actually a bad decision. She totally should have won that election, it was absolutely hers to lose.
She was probbly the best minnow in a very shallow pool, but she came across as entitled, clumsy and pretty much out of touch with Joe Public. From what I read, people were tiring from Obama's gesture politics and wanted someone, anyone who'd actually do stuff.
Yeah, the Democrats look a real mess. In fact US Politics - and the media - looks a real mess. Perhaps the Virus Crisis will cause the political establishment to take a good, long look at itself.
Yep, that's kinda my point. She was a disaster, but still won more votes and came close to winning. Just a few idiot moves away from taking the prize.
Pelosi takes the cake for being out of touch though with her ice cream clip. Holy smokes.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
That and unlike a sizeable proportion of the political elite in the USA, he understands and panders to his electorate.
The sort of thing only an idiot wouldn't do.....
The guy drives me nuts and I cringe when he speaks. But when you compare him to Obama on dealing with Syria and Nth Korea and you can see why people voted for him.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
If the Democrats had any sense, Biden would've been arseholed out of the contest a long time ago.
"But it's his turn!"
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@voodoo said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@voodoo said in US Politics:
I'd add that selecting Hillary wasn't actually a bad decision. She totally should have won that election, it was absolutely hers to lose.
She was probbly the best minnow in a very shallow pool, but she came across as entitled, clumsy and pretty much out of touch with Joe Public. From what I read, people were tiring from Obama's gesture politics and wanted someone, anyone who'd actually do stuff.
Yeah, the Democrats look a real mess. In fact US Politics - and the media - looks a real mess. Perhaps the Virus Crisis will cause the political establishment to take a good, long look at itself.
Yep, that's kinda my point. She was a disaster, but still won more votes and came close to winning. Just a few idiot moves away from taking the prize.
Pelosi takes the cake for being out of touch though with her ice cream clip. Holy smokes.
Dunno mate. As I remember it, it was hers to lose. Trump was a joke candidate and noisy America was celebrating a first woman president right up to election night. The whole world was flabbergasted that this reality show blowhard actually won. Hillary screwed up which proved to be a decisive portent to the democrats political acumen the next 4 years.
He can be an idiot but he won the vote, and that's all the game is.
Not being able to poll better than the idiot is the real story of Trumps presidency
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haha, Trump's team (and all the meme warriors) supply endless laughs, this one, this time at Plug's expense
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@Wairau said in US Politics:
haha, Trump's team (and all the meme warriors) supply endless laughs, this one, this time at Plug's expense
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/errorReminds me of the golden days of "Google Bombing"
You did a Google search for "idiot" and the top result was "Gordon Brown, UK Prime MInister"
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@Siam said in US Politics:
Not being able to poll better than the idiot is the real story of Trumps presidency
I think the real story of trump's presidency is the massive global damage to usa's reputation, the internal damage and increased polarisation of their political system, and the treatment of facts/expert knowledge as just opinions on an equal footing with any random fool's opinion.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Siam said in US Politics:
Not being able to poll better than the idiot is the real story of Trumps presidency
I think the real story of trump's presidency is the massive global damage to usa's reputation, the internal damage and increased polarisation of their political system, and the treatment of facts/expert knowledge as just opinions on an equal footing with any random fool's opinion.
China really could not have hoped for a better outcome in terms of their aim for increased global influence, the US is a laughing stock.TBF, that was going on long before Trump. And Obama is equally to blame - his weakness and withdrawal from the world gave Putin & China a nice warm power vacuum to fill.
Agree with you on Trump's "fool's opinions" but just think Obama's platitudes, virtue-signalling and excuses for inaction were equally as bad,
How the US got itself into a situation where likes of Trump, Pelosi, Biden etc are the heavyweight politicians is beyond me..
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Obama has been piping a bit recently when he is customarily very quiet.
He had a comment "accidentally leaked" on the Flynn matter and yesterday he ripped into Trump over Covid-19.
I think his motivation is he is worried about Biden, who is coming across as so ineffectual and confused. Obama wants to try and defend himself and by extension Biden because Trump is pursuing the strategy of tying Biden to Obama and then attacking Obama over the spying allegations. Biden doesn't seem to know what to say.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Siam said in US Politics:
Not being able to poll better than the idiot is the real story of Trumps presidency
I think the real story of trump's presidency is the massive global damage to usa's reputation, the internal damage and increased polarisation of their political system, and the treatment of facts/expert knowledge as just opinions on an equal footing with any random fool's opinion.
China really could not have hoped for a better outcome in terms of their aim for increased global influence, the US is a laughing stock.TBF, that was going on long before Trump. And Obama is equally to blame - his weakness and withdrawal from the world gave Putin & China a nice warm power vacuum to fill.
Agree with you on Trump's "fool's opinions" but just think Obama's platitudes, virtue-signalling and excuses for inaction were equally as bad,
How the US got itself into a situation where likes of Trump, Pelosi, Biden etc are the heavyweight politicians is beyond me..
After the clusterfuck that was the Bush years, one can hardly blame Obama (and indeed Trump) for a reluctance to get aggressively involved in international affairs, particularly any armed conflict.
The mistake was probably to encourage resolution around the globe (mainly the ME), but then not provide military support. That being said, when they did get involved, they caught absolute hell for it.
In short, the US President simply can't win.
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@junior said in US Politics:
After the clusterfuck that was the Bush years, one can hardly blame Obama (and indeed Trump) for a reluctance to get aggressively involved in international affairs, particularly any armed conflict.
Less a reluctance, more a continual re-definition of red-lines & political objectives to avoid taking action. Made the US look weak. One of the few things Trump did right was sending a strong military message to Assad & Putin early on.
In short, the US President simply can't win.
Not if they come from the recent presidential gene pool, they can't...
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Just finished Malcolm Turnbull’s memoirs this weekend. Much like Obama you get the feeling they both (rightfully) have big tickets on themselves and are having massive issues reconciling that their life’s crowning achievement was achieved by someone they consider so inferior - Abbott and Trump respectively.
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