Black Lives Matter
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@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
Easy fellas.
My views on BLM are not positive but I’m extremely confident that the behavior above is only from the extremist end and not part of anything official BLM.
But when neither BLM nor the Democrats denounce the actions then they all wear the same hat.
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@Siam said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
Easy fellas.
My views on BLM are not positive but I’m extremely confident that the behavior above is only from the extremist end and not part of anything official BLM.
There's an official part of BLM?
Do tell.A selection from their website https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/
"We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.
We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."
Buggered if I know what it means either.
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@MiketheSnow said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
Easy fellas.
My views on BLM are not positive but I’m extremely confident that the behavior above is only from the extremist end and not part of anything official BLM.
But when neither BLM nor the Democrats denounce the actions then they all wear the same hat.
To quote the BLM mantra: "Silence is Violence"
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@MiketheSnow said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
Easy fellas.
My views on BLM are not positive but I’m extremely confident that the behavior above is only from the extremist end and not part of anything official BLM.
But when neither BLM nor the Democrats denounce the actions then they all wear the same hat.
To quote the BLM mantra: "Silence is Violence"
No justice. No peace.
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@MiketheSnow said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
Neymar was racially abused and it caused him to be sent off. Outrageous.
Outrageous that no one else heard it?
Victimised at least twice, perhaps thrice.
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@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
On the bright side here is a blm rioter discovering that made-up pronouns don't protect your junk from rubber bullets
That made me laugh.
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@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
Pennsylvania's turn for some fiery but mostly peaceful protest.
On the bright side here is a blm rioter discovering that made-up pronouns don't protect your junk from rubber bullets
I love the way the first thing out of their mouths is 'Medic'
Too much time in front of the idiot box
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@MN5 said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
Easy fellas.
My views on BLM are not positive but I’m extremely confident that the behavior above is only from the extremist end and not part of anything official BLM.
Thank god. Always reassuring when a random on the net says everything will be ok.
Random? Offended.
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@Siam said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
Easy fellas.
My views on BLM are not positive but I’m extremely confident that the behavior above is only from the extremist end and not part of anything official BLM.
There's an official part of BLM?
Do tell.You think Lewis, EPL, Starmer, met, just to name a few, took the knee on the back of things like this?
It’s not all bad.
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@MajorRage I think the average person supporting blm is supporting them for positive reasons, standing up for what they assume is racism based on the info they get from mainstream sources. They don't see the riots, don't know that the martyrs are almost exclusively rapists/violent offenders resisting arrest. The organisation however is extremist. I'm still yet to see any evidence proving otherwise, happy to see some if anyone has any. Politicians, celebs and corporations believe a twitter echo chamber that has been banning dissenting voices for the last 4 years is real life so they are jumping on what they think is the virtuous side..and as videos like in this spread they are increasingly looking like supporters of domestic terrorism.
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@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage I think the average person supporting blm is supporting them for positive reasons, standing up for what they assume is racism based on the info they get from mainstream sources. They don't see the riots, don't know that the martyrs are almost exclusively rapists/violent offenders resisting arrest. The organisation however is extremist. I'm still yet to see any evidence proving otherwise, happy to see some if anyone has any. Politicians, celebs and corporations believe a twitter echo chamber that has been banning dissenting voices for the last 4 years is real life so they are jumping on what they think is the virtuous side..and as videos like in this spread they are increasingly looking like supporters of domestic terrorism.
This is a great call. The amount of FB friends I have who have changed their profile pics and seem ignorant of a lot of what is going on is quite startling.
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@MN5 Yeah I've had to rain on a couple of facebook parades. "umm you know he had a warrant for raping an underaged girl right?" attaching documentation proving it. Thankfully at this stage raping children is still frowned upon by even the most ardent blm supporters.
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@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
They don't see the riots, don't know that the martyrs are almost exclusively rapists/violent offenders resisting arrest.
Not sure I love his argument. Why does the rap sheet of some of these people matter when they are brutally gunned down by police? In the case of George Floyd he clearly wasn't a nice man, but that doesn't justify his treatment.
It's the same standard you apply to Avi Yemini on the Auspol thread.
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@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage I think the average person supporting blm is supporting them for positive reasons, standing up for what they assume is racism based on the info they get from mainstream sources. They don't see the riots, don't know that the martyrs are almost exclusively rapists/violent offenders resisting arrest. The organisation however is extremist. I'm still yet to see any evidence proving otherwise, happy to see some if anyone has any. Politicians, celebs and corporations believe a twitter echo chamber that has been banning dissenting voices for the last 4 years is real life so they are jumping on what they think is the virtuous side..and as videos like in this spread they are increasingly looking like supporters of domestic terrorism.
There has to be a separation between the words and the sentiment behind them, and the organisation of the same name. Because clearly they are about two different things
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Everybody has their own idea on what Black Lives Matter is or means.
Everybody has their own idea on who blm represents
Everybody has their own idea on where blm applies
Everybody has their own idea on what blm seeks to address.
Everybody has their own motivations for supporting blm
But central to all this is ignoring data, focus on outcomes and engineer backwards for the cause - white supremacy ( with no examples, only society outcomes and a disingenuous warping of history).
Nobody can answer the who, where, what questions definitively. Can you?
There is no common or consistent message other than historical and present white supremacy and an obvious strategy that is hideous:
Fight racism with more racism.
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@barbarian said in Black Lives Matter:
@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
They don't see the riots, don't know that the martyrs are almost exclusively rapists/violent offenders resisting arrest.
Not sure I love his argument. Why does the rap sheet of some of these people matter when they are brutally gunned down by police? In the case of George Floyd he clearly wasn't a nice man, but that doesn't justify his treatment.
It's the same standard you apply to Avi Yemini on the Auspol thread.
agreed, the content of the character has no bearing on the principle, a concession we all must make in order to receive rights and a civil society.
Your example of George Floyd will cause more problems when the defence and autopsy shows that the police treatment of floyd for the entire interaction didn't cause his death. It's simply not an example of police brutality.
I don't know how that will affect the blm movement and supporters
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@Siam said in Black Lives Matter:
Your example of George Floyd will cause more problems when the defence and autopsy shows that the police treatment of floyd for the entire interaction didn't cause his death. It's simply not an example of police brutality.
I don't know how that will affect the blm movement and supporters
What are you basing that prediction on? Haven't read anything about that possibility, not that I'm discounting it.
Even if that's the case I don't think it affects the movement at all.
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@barbarian entire video footage and I trusted toxicology reports from my echo chamber commentators, ( I know but what else is there?)
However, here's an article from a "sympathetic" news source outside of my echo chamber that is enough to muddy the waters with toxicological info and a lack of trauma to indicate asphyxiation.
Oh and Covid pops up to further cast doubt, as it is want to do 🙂
"This medical examiner's report does not mention asphyxiation. However, according to prosecutors, in charging documents filed last week, early results "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."
The medical examiner's report also details blunt-force injuries to the skin of Floyd's head, face and upper lip, as well as the shoulders, hands and elbows and bruising of the wrists consistent with handcuffs.
Signed by Dr. Andrew M. Baker, it says Floyd had tested positive for the novel coronavirus on April 3. A post-mortem nasal swab confirmed that diagnosis. The report notes that because a positive result for coronavirus can persist for weeks after the disease has resolved, "the result most likely reflects asymptomatic but persistent ... positivity from previous infection."
In addition to fentanyl and methamphetamine, the toxicology report from the autopsy showed that Floyd also had cannabinoids in his system when he died.
Floyd also had heart disease, hypertension and sickle cell trait — a mostly asymptomatic form of the more serious sickle cell disease, an inherited blood disorder that primarily affects African Americans."