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Jacinda stuck to her set piece speeches and came off aloof and staged(one of the commentators called her performance 'academic'). Judith's set piece oratory is not as polished. But she showed more energy and came across as more real imho. For those who know nothing about her she was able to show herself and allow viewers to learn things; grew up a dairy farmer's daughter, married Samoan man, owned small business, generally came across like she sympathised and she could relate. Came prepared with a number of specific factoids that she was able to try to bring to bear
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@MN5 Gower? I think he is a fluffybunny too, but I know for a fact Campbell lied on one of his segments years back, i know cos I was there and know what happened was different to what they discussed on Campbell live
I went to uni with Gower, he's a good egg
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@MN5 Gower? I think he is a fluffybunny too, but I know for a fact Campbell lied on one of his segments years back, i know cos I was there and know what happened was different to what they discussed on Campbell live
Referring to Campbell and his stupid oversized glasses which make him look even cuntier than normal.
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@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@voodoo Bullshit. He tried to cheat his way through a postgrad paper and got caught.
I didn't know that. I spent many a party with him, went to his 21st, had a bunch of common friends. We weren't besties but I really liked him. Havent seen him in 20yrs, but would go for a beer in an instant.
Shame to hear stuff like that, I'd be keen to know the detailed truth
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@voodoo said in NZ Politics:
@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@voodoo Bullshit. He tried to cheat his way through a postgrad paper and got caught.
I didn't know that. I spent many a party with him, went to his 21st, had a bunch of common friends. We weren't besties but I really liked him. Havent seen him in 20yrs, but would go for a beer in an instant.
Shame to hear stuff like that, I'd be keen to know the detailed truth
I think both things can be true.
I've seen fantastic people who have clear morals do stupid things when they are under a deadline for an academic assignment. I've seen people who are fun and easy to hang around with steal ideas and assignments from friends, and completely lie about it when confronted (even when we can absolutely establish who did the work).
The good ones recognize that they did something shitty, apologize, and make up for it. To illustrate, in my first year at my current job I had a kid completely rip off an online source in their assignment, so I failed them for the class and they were lucky to not get kicked out of the program. On the day he graduated two and a half years later, he submitted to me an original assignment on the topic and asked for feedback
As you can imagine, I'd hate it if the only thing we knew about him was that he cheated on an assignment at uni once.
Having said that, Gower has a pretty punchable face.
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@Billy-Tell so you agree the cliches are accurate just only for some cantons.
I spent a lot of time in one of those German cantons - way too much. Hence my anathema, but I agree much of Switzerland is very different.
On to the leaders debate - I didn't catch it but I'm told (by National voters) that Collins came across as patronising and Muldoonish [not in a good way] and Cindy reached out to all the snowflakes?
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@JC the actual worst class was shorthand at 8am a few times a week. You had to reach 80 words a minute to pass (with 90 something % accuracy) then you didn't have to go anymore once you got the certificate. Anyway, one class he made this big loud deal of finally getting it. But he handed in something he'd ahem prepared earlier. The tutor (tough old lady who took no shit) politely pointed out that she changed the dictation a bit each time so there was a whole section he got wrong.
I think of this tale every time I see his obnoxious overblown displays.
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@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@JC the actual worst class was shorthand at 8am a few times a week. You had to reach 80 words a minute to pass (with 90 something % accuracy) then you didn't have to go anymore once you got the certificate. Anyway, one class he made this big loud deal of finally getting it. But he handed in something he'd ahem prepared earlier. The tutor (tough old lady who took no shit) politely pointed out that she changed the dictation a bit each time so there was a whole section he got wrong.
I think of this tale every time I see his obnoxious overblown displays.
Possibly a bit harsh Mokey. Itβs not like he kicked his girlfriend and broke her back and then tried to garner sympathy for the issues it caused his career.
He does have a face like a dropped pie though.
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@gt12 said in NZ Politics:
@voodoo said in NZ Politics:
@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@voodoo Bullshit. He tried to cheat his way through a postgrad paper and got caught.
I didn't know that. I spent many a party with him, went to his 21st, had a bunch of common friends. We weren't besties but I really liked him. Havent seen him in 20yrs, but would go for a beer in an instant.
Shame to hear stuff like that, I'd be keen to know the detailed truth
I think both things can be true.
I've seen fantastic people who have clear morals do stupid things when they are under a deadline for an academic assignment. I've seen people who are fun and easy to hang around with steal ideas and assignments from friends, and completely lie about it when confronted (even when we can absolutely establish who did the work).
The good ones recognize that they did something shitty, apologize, and make up for it. To illustrate, in my first year at my current job I had a kid completely rip off an online source in their assignment, so I failed them for the class and they were lucky to not get kicked out of the program. On the day he graduated two and a half years later, he submitted to me an original assignment on the topic and asked for feedback
As you can imagine, I'd hate it if the only thing we knew about him was that he cheated on an assignment at uni once.
Having said that, Gower has a pretty punchable face.
Thats a great story mate π
And on Gowers face, he knows it well, his Dad even mentioned it at his 21st π
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Liked this line from Collins;
"Tonight, I'll be reminding Ms Ardern that traffic over the Auckland Harbour Bridge is currently moving faster than her plans to move the country forward."
Had a poke around online, seems like Collins "won" the debate. Not that it means anything, but considering the negativity directed at Collins it's interesting that Taxinda is seen to have stumbled here.
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My take after viewing was that both women are clearly the lynchpins of their respective parties. It's debatable whether either of their teams have much depth, so what you are left with is the ability to lead. Ardern can certainly lead the country, but IMO she has failed to deploy her team to deliver on the promises she makes. Collins comes across as the opposite really: less able to inspire the people, but there is a real impression that she would drive her team hard to deliver and take no prisoners. Ardern has come across as complacent in the face of repeated screw-ups from her team, whereas I don't think anybody doubts Collins will deal to anyone who lets her down.
When things aren't going well you need a Judith Thatcher not a Jacinda Blair.
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@JC based on the polls, clearly the people value hope optimism and kindness, over a fighter and a doer. I'd agree neither team inspire the imagination
And that will likely carry then to a second term, and then people we see how vapid she and her team really are as the stark reality kicks in.
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@JC said in NZ Politics:
My take after viewing was that both women are clearly the lynchpins of their respective parties. It's debatable whether either of their teams have much depth, so what you are left with is the ability to lead. Ardern can certainly lead the country, but IMO she has failed to deploy her team to deliver on the promises she makes. Collins comes across as the opposite really: less able to inspire the people, but there is a real impression that she would drive her team hard to deliver and take no prisoners. Ardern has come across as complacent in the face of repeated screw-ups from her team, whereas I don't think anybody doubts Collins will deal to anyone who lets her down.
When things aren't going well you need a Judith Thatcher not a Jacinda Blair.
That's a killer comparison.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@JC based on the polls, clearly the people value hope optimism and kindness, over a fighter and a doer. I'd agree neither team inspire the imagination
And that will likely carry then to a second term, and then people we see how vapid she and her team really are as the stark reality kicks in.
I see through her shtick now. Jacinda had a series of set piece speeches that she managed to shoe horn into situations. But when it came to actually giving tangible answers she was found wanting and resorted to her trademark frown. I give her government some credit for our covid19 response. But apart from that and Chch what have they done?
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@JC based on the polls, clearly the people value hope optimism and kindness, over a fighter and a doer. I'd agree neither team inspire the imagination
And that will likely carry then to a second term, and then people we see how vapid she and her team really are as the stark reality kicks in.
I see through her shtick now. Jacinda had a series of set piece speeches that she managed to shoe horn into situations. But when it came to actually giving tangible answers she was found wanting and resorted to her trademark frown. I give her government some credit for our covid19 response. But apart from that and Chch what have they done?
Not attributing this stuff entirely to Labour thinking, it could just be that they were more easily persuaded by the public service, but they have invested a lot in regenerating public infrastructure that has been neglected for decades. Hospitals and Defence are two areas that have benefitted in investment.
These are also ongoing commitments that generate a lot of work for the National target market of the self employed. Regional tradies subcontracting to big rebuilds.
Strange that they aren't promoting that (also the hospital spend was mentioned last night it was more in terms of pointing the finger at previous National govts)
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