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<p>13 dead so far and many more injured. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/78174965/two-explosions-heard-at-brussels-airport-reports'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/78174965/two-explosions-heard-at-brussels-airport-reports</a></p>
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<p>I'm going to go ahead and jump to the conclusion that its probably revenge for the bust of a terrorist leader in Belgium this week.</p>
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<p>Belgium has more people in ISIS than Indonesia which is the worlds most populous Islamic nation , a suburb called Molenbeek seems to be linked time and time again with Islamic terrorists.</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/11/belgium-radical-islam-jihad-molenbeek-isis/416235/'>http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/11/belgium-radical-islam-jihad-molenbeek-isis/416235/</a></p>
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<p>Right wing chaps going to warm up the brass knuckles and retribution no doubt. French will also be having a few hard words to their neighbours about the Paris attacks as it relates to this.</p>
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<p>Right wing chaps going to warm up the brass knuckles and retribution no doubt. French will also be having a few hard words to their neighbours about the Paris attacks as it relates to this.</p>
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<p><strong>Need to have a rethink about the immigration situation</strong> - maybe not the numbers, but the distribution. Hard with population densities like that.</p>
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<p>I think a decent amount of them are at least second generation and haven't really assimilated with the rest of the country it appears.</p> -
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/mar/22/brussels-airport-explosions-live-updates'>http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/mar/22/brussels-airport-explosions-live-updates</a></p>
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<p>There are unconfirmed reports that 23 people have been killed in both attacks.</p>
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<p>The Belgian broadcaster VTM said 10 people were killed in the blast at the Maelbeek metro station. Earlier it said the death toll at the Zaventem airport in Brussels has increased to 13.</p>
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<p>I think a decent amount of them are at least second generation and haven't really assimilated with the rest of the country it appears.</p>
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<p>I don't think its so much about assimilation for that generation. I think we've discussed something similar before - the parents flee the bullshit and violence and are grateful.</p>
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<p>The kids grow up hearing about it, and, without a struggle or cause to adhere to in their relatively easy Western lives, they think its their duty to go back and fight the good fight.</p>
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<p>Yep radicalisation of the disaffected second and third generations. You can see the bewilderment of the parents clearly. Very sad for them to see their kids turn out to be mongtards of the first water.</p>
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<p>I don't think its so much about assimilation for that generation. I think we've discussed something similar before - the parents flee the bullshit and violence and are grateful.</p>
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<p>The kids grow up hearing about it, and, without a struggle or cause to adhere to in their relatively easy Western lives, they think its their duty to go back and fight the good fight.</p>
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<p>Happened to a few Lebanese kids here in Sydney. They sometimes end up resenting their parents who just had their best interests at heart.</p>
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<p>Its odd that the second generation quite often end up being such hateful little shits. The Lebs in Sydney one is interesting, I think I mentioned before I worked for a lebanese guy and his brother in law, their families had been in Australia for quite a while and when the aussie govt announced they were bringing over more Lebs in the 70s and 80s they were horrified when they found out a lot of them were from a part of Lebanon that was renowned for being a lawless shithole. It made life a lot harder for lebs that were already there like them.</p> -
<p>This probably belongs in another thread but it seems pertinent here also. A film with Sean Bean called Cleanskin dealt in part with radicalisation of, in this instance, a British young muslim. Not a bad film but a bit depressing in its depiction of how the guy was targeted and radicalised.</p>
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<p>Another close to home one for my family; as my inlaws live there and we are heading up on Friday for Easter all are thankfully safe.</p>
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<p><span>Molenbeek is not that rough really, its South Auckland rough, not Beirut rough. the problem is that its become a very low income area and its easy to target youths for this sort of thing. All the talk is that its retaliation. I just hope the police can resist doing the same the Belgian police tend to not mess around to much. The last thing Brussels needs is to push more people into the arms of willing recruiters. </span></p>
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<p><span>As an aside if you ever lose your car stereo head down to the Saturday market in Molenbeek outside the gare midi. I guarantee you will find it!</span></p> -
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<p>Its odd that the second generation quite often end up being such hateful little shits. The Lebs in Sydney one is interesting, I think I mentioned before I worked for a lebanese guy and his brother in law, their families had been in Australia for quite a while and when the aussie govt announced they were bringing over more Lebs in the 70s and 80s they were horrified when they found out a lot of them were from a part of Lebanon that was renowned for being a lawless shithole. It made life a lot harder for lebs that were already there like them.</p>
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<p>As a former NSW Police Commissioner described them; the sons and daughters of the people who turned the Paris of the Middle East into the shithole it is today.</p> -
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<p>Right wing chaps going to warm up the brass knuckles and retribution no doubt. French will also be having a few hard words to their neighbours about the Paris attacks as it relates to this.</p>
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<p>Need to have a rethink about the immigration situation - <strong>maybe not the numbers, but the distribution. Hard with population densities like that.</strong></p>
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<p>How do you fix that? Tell them where to live? Forceably dilute their numbers?</p>
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<p>A proper, sensible debate about immigration should have taken place in the 90s, but it didn't because anyone who was opposed to open-door immigration was branded a racist bigot. Too late now. This will be the norm unfortunately.</p> -
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<p>How do you fix that? Tell them where to live? Forceably dilute their numbers?</p>
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<p>A proper, sensible debate about immigration should have taken place in the 90s, but it didn't because anyone who was opposed to open-door immigration was branded a racist bigot. Too late now. This will be the norm unfortunately.</p>
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<p>Yep, too late now.</p>
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<p>But the first issue is to stop it going forward. So you very carefully vet your immigrants for cultural fit. Don't take anyone who has zero cultural fit with your country, maybe help countries where they do fit. Second don't settle them all together in a huge state housing ghetto. Third provide really good schooling for their kids to ensure they have a lot of opportunites later. Immigration is not a one off that happened back then. Its still very much going on.</p>
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<p>Belguim is literally the opposite to the above, let in people that have very different cultural norms to the country. House them all together in one spot. Leave them to have no jobs or prospects so open to "its not your fault, join us & you'll belong". Same all through Europe, the Banlieues in Paris, sections of London, Bradford etc (far far less so). </p> -
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<p>And Brexit :(</p>
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<p>Yep, Sterling tanked this morning. Literally, bomb in Brussels, 30 seconds later Sterling drops against all the major currencys. And the NZ peso more importantly. </p> -
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<p>Right wing chaps going to warm up the brass knuckles and retribution no doubt. French will also be having a few hard words to their neighbours about the Paris attacks as it relates to this.</p>
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<p>Need to have a rethink about the immigration situation - maybe not the numbers, but the distribution. Hard with population densities like that.</p>
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<p>I find it hard to relate to the point of view that they should not look at the numbers of immigrants.</p>
<p>Large scale of Muslim immigration has been proven a catalyst for violence or death. The left wing view that it will be all ok.... we just need to do mass immigration better.. is a nonsense,</p>
