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Baron Silas Greenback

I think it could be an age group thing. I generally associate with people in the 30-50 age group. I think maybe more older people and younger people want the old flag?

Baron Silas Greenback

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I'm one of the seven above who chose current flag -
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Fuck you! I hate you, you are a traitor, lacky to the corporations, just a puppet to Andrew Little. If we keep the current flag and enter TPPA, we are selling our sovereignty down the river. You rick prick asshat

Donsteppa

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Fuck you! I hate you, you are a traitor, lacky to the corporations, just a puppet to Andrew Little. If we keep the current flag and enter TPPA, we are selling our sovereignty down the river. You rick prick asshat
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You forgot Shill and Apologist for The Man :)

MajorRage

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I guess the only issue is, all the leftards (just for you MR) will cry of a rigged and corrupt process if the new flag does somehow win based on all the polls that have been done in the lead in.
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My favourite was still the personal abuse I took for suggesting the polls were 60/40 in favour of retaining, from some asshat who claimed it was more like 75/25 and I was just some full of shit Willis etc etc.

dogmeat

I see JK has come out and say the flag referendum will not define is legacy and he's never thought of it that way.
 
As they were saying on radio - whilst correct that's still a bit of a Tui billboard and would he have thought differently if the polls were suggesting change.
 
I have a sneaking suspicion that the vote could go the way of the new flag
 
... and just look at my tipping results

MajorRage

Can anybody remember at any point in time where polls have ended up being completely wrong? I can't, and for that reason, I can't see it changing.
 
My WT relatives reaction if it does though will be nothing short of SENSATIONAL.

Donsteppa

I have a benign version of the Bradley effect in mind. Might not change the result, but may make it a lot closer...

Baron Silas Greenback

All I know is that Donsteppa better go into hiding if it is retained by one vote.....

dogmeat

Jim Bolger's most memorable quote in a very beige career was bugger the pollsters after a shock election night result in 1993 (the last FPP election). Pre-vote polls showed a comfortable majority for the Nats but as votes were counted it looked like a hung parliament. In the end one seat changed hands in Nationals favour after special votes and they cleverly made a Labour MP Speaker giving them an effective majority of two in the new parliament. Since then Bolger's quote is rolled out at every election by the party behind in the polls. I think it was Annette King who used it last time, but since then they have been depressingly accurate. Upsets were more likely under FPP Labour lost in 75 and 78 despite winning a majority of the vote, (a large reason for the push for as it depended on the geographical spread of your votes whether they effectively counted.

jegga

David Farrer has called it already saying we are keeping the old flag, given the accuracy of his polling firm I'd say it's staying the same. 
Had a leftard building inspector come in today and tell me that this was all a distraction do John key can use the tppa to funnel all of our money out of the country to his firm . No mention of whether or not he organised it from his lair under a volcano while stroking a Persian cat . 
Ffs leftards, you are beyond pathetic.

TeWaio

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Can anybody remember at any point in time where polls have ended up being completely wrong? I can't, and for that reason, I can't see it changing. 
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Erm, the UK generation election last year. Polls all along pointed to a hung parliament or a Miliband/Sturgeon governing coalition between Labour and the SNP. Then on the day the Tories romped home, despite being painted as evil, poor-bashing, benefit-cutting, old-Etonian Toffs on social media. Turns out, when push came to shove, people didn't want the national finances to go the way of Venezuela. 
Go the new flag.

Donsteppa

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All I know is that Donsteppa better go into hiding if it is retained by one vote.....
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Hiding? I'd be lording it over you and demanding that you sing Rule Britannia (while standing next to the poster of Andrew Little on your living room wall.)
 
Not to endorse gloating by either set of voters, of course...

taniwharugby

Status Quo retained on preliminary count, unsure on margin

Donsteppa

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All I know is that Donsteppa better go into hiding if it is retained by one vote.....
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On a more serious reply, I've always loved the idea of an election decided by one vote. The gnashing of teeth of everyone who didn't vote because "nah, it won't matter", the swinging voters agonising about their choice for the next three years.
 
It's nice to think when you vote that you are somehow making the casting vote...

taniwharugby

1,200,003 (56.6 per cent) voted to keep the current flag.
 
915,008 wanted the alternate design. That equates to 43.2 per cent of voters.
 
About what I thought it would be...:(

Donsteppa

"1,200,003 (56.6 per cent) voted to keep the current flag."
"915,008 wanted the alternate design. That equates to 43.2 per cent of voters."

Billy Tell

55 vs 45 is what I expected and pretty much what we got. 
Embarrassing and sad day for a Kiwi overseas like myself. 
Ah well.

taniwharugby

TV News said NZers have spoken loud and clear...56-44 isnt really that clear, not a huge given we've been hearing polls of 60-70%

taniwharugby

I really need to stop reading the comments on FB...some people just make me so freaking angry!!

Donsteppa

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I really need to stop reading the comments on FB...some people just make me so freaking angry!! 
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Applies to almost any topic on Facebook!

The Silver Fern

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