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<p>Still reckon it'll be closer than people think... just on a hunch that there's some socially desirable responding going on to the pollsters, and the high turnout.</p>
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<p>I'm one of the seven above who chose current flag - but I still spent a long time thinking it through (again!) once the ballot paper was in front of me.</p> -
<p>It's certainly going to be interesting. The polls don't match in any way the conversations that I hear and I wonder whether that is because those voting for change have kept their thoughts to themselves to avoid argument or whether it is the opposite and now they have voted they are singing loudly about it.</p>
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<p>Even though I was in the camp of 'I want change but can't we find a better option', the more I see the Lockwood flying the more I like it. It still looks terrible drawn flat but when waving in the breeze it actually looks quite good.</p> -
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<p>It's certainly going to be interesting. The polls don't match in any way the conversations that I hear and I wonder whether that is because those voting for change have kept their thoughts to themselves to avoid argument or whether it is the opposite and now they have voted they are singing loudly about it.</p>
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<p>Even though I was in the camp of 'I want change but can't we find a better option', the more I see the Lockwood flying the more I like it. It still looks terrible drawn flat but when waving in the breeze it actually looks quite good.</p>
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<p>I am still struggling with reconciling the polls to my personal interactions as well. I suspect it is just a silent majority that want to retain.</p> -
<p>hopefully with the amount of abuse that anyone who dared say they liked the new flag and wanted change got, the 'majority' have then chosen not to express opinion or bothered voting in all these polls, which I have not done on the flag.</p>
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<p>I have generally steered clear of offering an opinion on it, except in pointing out peoples flawed arguments on social media.</p> -
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<p>hopefully with the amount of abuse that anyone who dared say they liked the new flag and wanted change got, the 'majority' have then chosen not to express opinion or bothered voting in all these polls, which I have not done on the flag.</p>
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<p>I have generally steered clear of offering an opinion on it, except in pointing out peoples flawed arguments on social media.</p>
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<p>I was amazed to find that my ballot paper actually asked me which of two flags I preferred.</p>
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<p>I expected questions about John Key, the cost of the referendum, whether we looked too much like the Australian flag, or whether I approved of the process...</p> -
<p>I guess the only issue is, all the leftards (just for you MR) will cry of a rigged and corrupt process if the new flag does somehow win based on all the polls that have been done in the lead in.</p>
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<p>I think it could be an age group thing. I generally associate with people in the 30-50 age group. I think maybe more older people and younger people want the old flag?</p>
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<p>Fuck you! I hate you, you are a traitor, lacky to the corporations, just a puppet to Andrew Little. If we keep the current flag and enter TPPA, we are selling our sovereignty down the river. You rick prick asshat</p> -
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<p>Fuck you! I hate you, you are a traitor, lacky to the corporations, just a puppet to Andrew Little. If we keep the current flag and enter TPPA, we are selling our sovereignty down the river. You rick prick asshat</p>
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<p>You forgot Shill and Apologist for The Man :)</p> -
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<p>I guess the only issue is, all the leftards (just for you MR) will cry of a rigged and corrupt process if the new flag does somehow win based on all the polls that have been done in the lead in.</p>
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<p>My favourite was still the personal abuse I took for suggesting the polls were 60/40 in favour of retaining, from some asshat who claimed it was more like 75/25 and I was just some full of shit Willis etc etc.</p> -
<p>I see JK has come out and say the flag referendum will not define is legacy and he's never thought of it that way.</p>
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<p>As they were saying on radio - whilst correct that's still a bit of a Tui billboard and would he have thought differently if the polls were suggesting change.</p>
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<p>I have a sneaking suspicion that the vote could go the way of the new flag</p>
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<p>... and just look at my tipping results</p> -
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<p>All I know is that Donsteppa better go into hiding if it is retained by one vote.....</p>
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Jim Bolger's most memorable quote in a very beige career was bugger the pollsters after a shock election night result in 1993 (the last FPP election).<br><br>Pre-vote polls showed a comfortable majority for the Nats but as votes were counted it looked like a hung parliament.<br><br>In the end one seat changed hands in Nationals favour after special votes and they cleverly made a Labour MP Speaker giving them an effective majority of two in the new parliament.<br><br>Since then Bolger's quote is rolled out at every election by the party behind in the polls. I think it was Annette King who used it last time, but since then they have been depressingly accurate.<br><br>Upsets were more likely under FPP Labour lost in 75 and 78 despite winning a majority of the vote, (a large reason for the push for as it depended on the geographical spread of your votes whether they effectively counted.
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David Farrer has called it already saying we are keeping the old flag, given the accuracy of his polling firm I'd say it's staying the same.<br><br>
Had a leftard building inspector come in today and tell me that this was all a distraction do John key can use the tppa to funnel all of our money out of the country to his firm . No mention of whether or not he organised it from his lair under a volcano while stroking a Persian cat . <br>
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Can anybody remember at any point in time where polls have ended up being completely wrong? I can't, and for that reason, I can't see it changing.<br><br>
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Erm, the UK generation election last year. Polls all along pointed to a hung parliament or a Miliband/Sturgeon governing coalition between Labour and the SNP. Then on the day the Tories romped home, despite being painted as evil, poor-bashing, benefit-cutting, old-Etonian Toffs on social media. Turns out, when push came to shove, people didn't want the national finances to go the way of Venezuela.<br><br>
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<p>All I know is that Donsteppa better go into hiding if it is retained by one vote.....</p>
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<p>Hiding? I'd be lording it over you and demanding that you sing Rule Britannia (while standing next to the poster of Andrew Little on your living room wall.)</p>
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<p>Status Quo retained on preliminary count, unsure on margin</p>
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<p>All I know is that Donsteppa better go into hiding if it is retained by one vote.....</p>
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<p>On a more serious reply, I've always loved the idea of an election decided by one vote. The gnashing of teeth of everyone who didn't vote because "nah, it won't matter", the swinging voters <em>agonising </em>about their choice for the next three years.</p>
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<p>It's nice to think when you vote that you are somehow making the casting vote...</p>
