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<p>I mean plenty of 'right tards' turned around and voted for change when they are meant to be from conservative areas. I think if Clarke proposed a flag change riht wing people would do the same thing. It is disappointing but it's not just one side of the political spectrum.</p>
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<p>The only way to get a fair fight would be for Key to have got everyone on board. I don't know whether he tried or not, or whether it was a vanity project from the start, but make the offer and let them be seen to be the party poopers</p> -
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<p>I agree with you on Grouch and Don, I just think you overestimate the numbers of Grouch's and Don's in this world.</p>
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<p>Judging by the last election they make up about 10% of the voting population, I've said before plenty of times I think they are incredibly vocal online all out of porportion with their actual numbers. As I mentioned on the previous page I had a tedious 30 minute lecture from a Don/Grouch type today, if he hadn't been a building inspector I would have given him the excoriating explanation of his failings as a human being he deserved for buying into such drivel.</p> -
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<p>Changing the flag was a Labour policy last election, I'd expect more people from the left would support change than from the right. </p>
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<p>They didn't vote against it because they didn't like the idea, they voted because they didn't like that it was John Key's idea and they can't stand the thought of being seen to kow tow to the guy who's pumped them three elections running and will probably for a fourth if he doesn't do a "Bangladesh"</p> -
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<p>They didn't vote against it because they didn't like the idea, they voted because they didn't like that it was John Key's idea and they can't stand the thought of being seen to kow tow to the guy who's pumped them three elections running and will probably for a fourth if he doesn't do a "Bangladesh"</p>
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<p>Exactly, he could have done a better job of reaching out to them from the start. If he can make Cullen head on nzpost and in charge of the GCSB inquiry he could have got someone from Labours past to be the face of it and not make himself the focus.</p> -
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<p>Exactly, he could have done a better job of reaching out to them from the start. If he can make Cullen head on nzpost and in charge of the GCSB inquiry he could have got someone from Labours past to be the face of it and not make himself the focus.</p>
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<p>He's starting to make more questionable decisions. Pre-4th term malaise/arrogance?</p> -
<p>A victory for the narrow-minded, shouty social media soapbox types. So disappointed. <br><br><span style="color:#1f497d;"><span style="font-family:calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;">So we are stuck with another country’s flag on our flag, which also looks like the flag of the country we most often get mistaken for. Good times.</span></span></span></p>
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<p>He's starting to make more questionable decisions. Pre-4th term malaise/arrogance?</p>
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<p>Yeah probably , I don't think the next ones a done deal even though Labour are a shambles. I wonder if one of them is going to try and get rid of Dunne next time? </p> -
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<p>Yeah probably , I don't think the next ones a done deal even though Labour are a shambles. I wonder if one of them is going to try and get rid of Dunne next time? </p>
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<p>I think their majority won't grow like previous elections. They will need to cultivate coalition partners and hope the electorate will hate them less than the prospect of comrade Turei having undue power on the treasury benches</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="TeWaio" data-cid="567019" data-time="1458817030">
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<p>A victory for the narrow-minded, shouty social media soapbox types. So disappointed. <br><br><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);"><span style="font-family:calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;">So we are stuck with another country’s flag on our flag, which also looks like the flag of the country we most often get mistaken for. Good times.</span></span></span></p>
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<p>Settle down. I was one of the 10 above who voted to keep the flag. It wasn't because I hate the Evil Emperor Key Hitler or wanted the <strike>vexilogo</strike> flag experts involved. I voted that way because I respect the traditions of the current flag and was not happy with the alternatives offered. I would have gladly voted for a (good) silver fern on black ala the Allblacks. I honestly couldn't give a shit if people mistake the flags. Most people probably couldn't even locate NZ on a map.</p> -
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<p>Settle down. I was one of the 10 above who voted to keep the flag. It wasn't because I hate the Evil Emperor Key Hitler or wanted the <strike>vexilogo</strike> flag experts involved. I voted that way because I respect the traditions of the current flag and was not happy with the alternatives offered. I would have gladly voted for a (good) silver fern on black ala the Allblacks. I honestly couldn't give a shit if people mistake the flags. Most people probably couldn't even locate NZ on a map.</p>
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Fair enough, I was probably getting a bit soap-boxy myself there. Totally on board with voting for the status quo for your reasons above, just seemed like most focused on the wrong issues.</p>
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I have no interest in becoming a republic. <br><br>
Would have liked a new flag. <br><br>
Will go back to my default of not being seen near a NZ flag and see how things pan out. <br><br>
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<p>I honestly couldn't give a shit if people mistake the flags. Most people probably couldn't even locate NZ on a map.</p>
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<p>Brilliant idea for a new flag...</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="TeWaio" data-cid="567019" data-time="1458817030"><p>A victory for the narrow-minded, shouty social media soapbox types. So disappointed. <br><br><span style="color:#1f497d;"><span style="font-family:calibri;"><span style="font-size:10px;">So we are stuck with another country’s flag on our flag, which also looks like the flag of the country we most often get mistaken for. Good times.</span></span></span></p></blockquote>
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Not just social media though. Mainstream media also appeared to be very anti change with either campaigns marked as personal views from their employees or thinly veiled pieces geared to appease what they thought their audience was and portraying non media "celebs" as interfering if they made their views public. <br>
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Shame. Disappointed.<br><br>
Can't see flag change in the future.<br><br>
I love the NZ Ensign and will remain proud of it. But loved the idea of change and of all the alternatives put up I liked this one most (honestly).<br><br>
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<p>Admins can look up who voted for what. so we can find out who the tools are who think it is clever top vote post event.</p>
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<p>Admins can look up who voted for what. so we can find out who the tools are who think it is clever top vote post event.</p>
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<p>so apparently John Key should now resign, John Key should GFHS, John Key should pay back the money, all those that voted for the new flag ONLY voted for thier man Key and are unpatriotic idiots.</p>
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<p>Oh, also include John Keys as well, he should do all of the above.</p>
