-
@Bovidae said in US Politics:
This will hurt Trump more, in the pocket.
Two of Donald Trump’s favoured banks are pulling away from the billionaire president in the wake of last week’s deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol. Deutsche Bank AG has decided to refrain from further business with Trump and his company, said a person with knowledge of the matter, asking not to be identified because the deliberations were confidential. Trump owes the Frankfurt-based lender more than $300 million. And Signature Bank, the New York lender that’s long catered to his family, said it’s cutting ties while it presses for his resignation. Signature is closing two personal accounts in which Trump held about $5.3 million, a spokesperson for the firm said on Monday.
This won't hurt Trump. It'll actually benefit him. Interest rates have dropped so he can reprice the business.
Fuck all bankers are politcally driven, so there will be a queue longer than you can imagine of financiers ready to play ball.
-
@canefan said in US Politics:
Why would they try so hard to block Trump now?
Because he's no longer going to be POTUS and is effectively powerless against them?
He's been spouting lies for years
So did Obama and virtually any other politician you can think of - not to mention the likes of CNN, NBC etc.
As always, its all about the bottom line and they all clearly feel Trump is bad for business
Spot on. They have given themselves the power to censor based on the bottom line - and that's the really dangerous bit
-
@Bovidae said in US Politics:
This will hurt Trump more, in the pocket.
Two of Donald Trump’s favoured banks are pulling away from the billionaire president in the wake of last week’s deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol. Deutsche Bank AG has decided to refrain from further business with Trump and his company, said a person with knowledge of the matter, asking not to be identified because the deliberations were confidential. Trump owes the Frankfurt-based lender more than $300 million. And Signature Bank, the New York lender that’s long catered to his family, said it’s cutting ties while it presses for his resignation. Signature is closing two personal accounts in which Trump held about $5.3 million, a spokesperson for the firm said on Monday.
If you owe the bank $100, you have a problem.
If you owe the bank $100M, the bank has a problem. -
@NTA said in US Politics:
In an email obtained by BuzzFeed News, an AWS Trust and Safety team told Parler Chief Policy Officer Amy Peikoff that the calls for violence propagating across the social network violated its terms of service. Amazon said it was unconvinced that the service’s plan to use volunteers to moderate calls for violence and hate speech would be effective.
That's pretty laughable from AWS who've successfully argued against being held liable for content on their platforms. It's either cartel behaviour to shut down a new market entrant, some pretty amazing double standards or sucking up to the new administration. Probably all three.
So let the Ayatollah go nuts. He's not getting the kind of coverage / trouble that 88M followers gets you.
Unregulated, unaccountable, inconsistent censorship based on follower numbers and market share? What could possibly go wrong?
-
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
In an email obtained by BuzzFeed News, an AWS Trust and Safety team told Parler Chief Policy Officer Amy Peikoff that the calls for violence propagating across the social network violated its terms of service. Amazon said it was unconvinced that the service’s plan to use volunteers to moderate calls for violence and hate speech would be effective.
That's pretty laughable from AWS who've successfully argued against being held liable for content on their platforms. It's either cartel behaviour to shut down a new market entrant, some pretty amazing double standards or sucking up to the new administration. Probably all three.
So let the Ayatollah go nuts. He's not getting the kind of coverage / trouble that 88M followers gets you.
Unregulated, unaccountable, inconsistent censorship based on follower numbers and market share? What could possibly go wrong?
Well, if they want to suck up to Biden, best to sack all white men. He's made it perfectly clear that he's priorities are non-whites and woman.
-
@Bovidae said in US Politics:
@MajorRage I understand these are (were) the only banks left that would deal with Trump. If he has burnt others in the past they won't be lining up to help again.
I assure you, as long as he can get past the bank's politically exposed person (PEP) compliance, then he won't have a problem. Refinancing a 300mm debt on a guy with 1bn plus of assets is banking gravy.
-
@MajorRage said in US Politics:
I assure you, as long as he can get past the bank's politically exposed person (PEP) compliance, then he won't have a problem.
If Hunter Biden can.....
-
@MajorRage if you can trust the value of those assets.
His franchise and hotel income is also under threat. -
@MajorRage said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
In an email obtained by BuzzFeed News, an AWS Trust and Safety team told Parler Chief Policy Officer Amy Peikoff that the calls for violence propagating across the social network violated its terms of service. Amazon said it was unconvinced that the service’s plan to use volunteers to moderate calls for violence and hate speech would be effective.
That's pretty laughable from AWS who've successfully argued against being held liable for content on their platforms. It's either cartel behaviour to shut down a new market entrant, some pretty amazing double standards or sucking up to the new administration. Probably all three.
So let the Ayatollah go nuts. He's not getting the kind of coverage / trouble that 88M followers gets you.
Unregulated, unaccountable, inconsistent censorship based on follower numbers and market share? What could possibly go wrong?
Well, if they want to suck up to Biden, best to sack all white men. He's made it perfectly clear that he's priorities are non-whites and woman.
And the US now has a Vice President who actively campaigns for discrimination against people on the basis of skin colour to be made legal
-
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@MajorRage said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
In an email obtained by BuzzFeed News, an AWS Trust and Safety team told Parler Chief Policy Officer Amy Peikoff that the calls for violence propagating across the social network violated its terms of service. Amazon said it was unconvinced that the service’s plan to use volunteers to moderate calls for violence and hate speech would be effective.
That's pretty laughable from AWS who've successfully argued against being held liable for content on their platforms. It's either cartel behaviour to shut down a new market entrant, some pretty amazing double standards or sucking up to the new administration. Probably all three.
So let the Ayatollah go nuts. He's not getting the kind of coverage / trouble that 88M followers gets you.
Unregulated, unaccountable, inconsistent censorship based on follower numbers and market share? What could possibly go wrong?
Well, if they want to suck up to Biden, best to sack all white men. He's made it perfectly clear that he's priorities are non-whites and woman.
And the US now has a Vice President who actively campaigns for discrimination against people on the basis of skin colour to be made legal
Let's wait and see. One thing to talk it up in opposition, different once you get to sit in the big kids' seats
-
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@MajorRage said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
In an email obtained by BuzzFeed News, an AWS Trust and Safety team told Parler Chief Policy Officer Amy Peikoff that the calls for violence propagating across the social network violated its terms of service. Amazon said it was unconvinced that the service’s plan to use volunteers to moderate calls for violence and hate speech would be effective.
That's pretty laughable from AWS who've successfully argued against being held liable for content on their platforms. It's either cartel behaviour to shut down a new market entrant, some pretty amazing double standards or sucking up to the new administration. Probably all three.
So let the Ayatollah go nuts. He's not getting the kind of coverage / trouble that 88M followers gets you.
Unregulated, unaccountable, inconsistent censorship based on follower numbers and market share? What could possibly go wrong?
Well, if they want to suck up to Biden, best to sack all white men. He's made it perfectly clear that he's priorities are non-whites and woman.
And the US now has a Vice President who actively campaigns for discrimination against people on the basis of skin colour to be made legal
Let's wait and see. One thing to talk it up in opposition, different once you get to sit in the big kids' seats
A bit more than just talking it up in opposition - she was the California Senator and prime mover for Proposition 16 in California which aimed to deliver exactly that
-
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@MajorRage said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
In an email obtained by BuzzFeed News, an AWS Trust and Safety team told Parler Chief Policy Officer Amy Peikoff that the calls for violence propagating across the social network violated its terms of service. Amazon said it was unconvinced that the service’s plan to use volunteers to moderate calls for violence and hate speech would be effective.
That's pretty laughable from AWS who've successfully argued against being held liable for content on their platforms. It's either cartel behaviour to shut down a new market entrant, some pretty amazing double standards or sucking up to the new administration. Probably all three.
So let the Ayatollah go nuts. He's not getting the kind of coverage / trouble that 88M followers gets you.
Unregulated, unaccountable, inconsistent censorship based on follower numbers and market share? What could possibly go wrong?
Well, if they want to suck up to Biden, best to sack all white men. He's made it perfectly clear that he's priorities are non-whites and woman.
And the US now has a Vice President who actively campaigns for discrimination against people on the basis of skin colour to be made legal
I think you mean from next week.
The current VP has a history of discrimination of a different kind:
-
@nostrildamus said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@MajorRage said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
In an email obtained by BuzzFeed News, an AWS Trust and Safety team told Parler Chief Policy Officer Amy Peikoff that the calls for violence propagating across the social network violated its terms of service. Amazon said it was unconvinced that the service’s plan to use volunteers to moderate calls for violence and hate speech would be effective.
That's pretty laughable from AWS who've successfully argued against being held liable for content on their platforms. It's either cartel behaviour to shut down a new market entrant, some pretty amazing double standards or sucking up to the new administration. Probably all three.
So let the Ayatollah go nuts. He's not getting the kind of coverage / trouble that 88M followers gets you.
Unregulated, unaccountable, inconsistent censorship based on follower numbers and market share? What could possibly go wrong?
Well, if they want to suck up to Biden, best to sack all white men. He's made it perfectly clear that he's priorities are non-whites and woman.
And the US now has a Vice President who actively campaigns for discrimination against people on the basis of skin colour to be made legal
I think you mean from next week.
The current VP has a history of discrimination of a different kind:
Absolutely nothing in that article to show he favours discrimination at all - unlike Harris. Just that he once wrote a letter opposing gay marriage and one or two Democrats saying, well, he's not a Democrat.
But the sheer ignorance of the author on Bush's hugely-successful African AIDS program (PEPFAR) is breath-taking. Abstinence was included in that program as some African countries, many being deeply & almost fundamentally Christian, demanded it. Bush rightly thought it more important to actually get HIV drugs to Africans rather than virtual signal. Pence was right to support it and should be applauded for it.
-
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@MajorRage said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
In an email obtained by BuzzFeed News, an AWS Trust and Safety team told Parler Chief Policy Officer Amy Peikoff that the calls for violence propagating across the social network violated its terms of service. Amazon said it was unconvinced that the service’s plan to use volunteers to moderate calls for violence and hate speech would be effective.
That's pretty laughable from AWS who've successfully argued against being held liable for content on their platforms. It's either cartel behaviour to shut down a new market entrant, some pretty amazing double standards or sucking up to the new administration. Probably all three.
So let the Ayatollah go nuts. He's not getting the kind of coverage / trouble that 88M followers gets you.
Unregulated, unaccountable, inconsistent censorship based on follower numbers and market share? What could possibly go wrong?
Well, if they want to suck up to Biden, best to sack all white men. He's made it perfectly clear that he's priorities are non-whites and woman.
And the US now has a Vice President who actively campaigns for discrimination against people on the basis of skin colour to be made legal
Positive discrimination is a much more complex argument than simply being boiled down to “racism “.
That’s a typical Trump like baselining of a well debated and researched concept with decades of practical examples to draw on and debate. -
@Crucial said in US Politics:
Positive discrimination is a much more complex argument than simply being boiled down to “racism “.
That’s a typical Trump like baselining of a well debated and researched concept with decades of practical examples to draw on and debate.It isn't complex, it's very simple: judging people by skin colour is racism. Those advocating "positive" apartheid (for that's what it is) are effectively arguing people of a certain skin colour are, as racial or cultural group, inferior as they can't compete. It's divisive, patronising and insulting - and something Martin Luther King hated for good reason.
It's as stupid an idea as saying black people in Olympic sprinting events should be handicapped to be fair to white sprinters in the interests of equality and diversity.
And what on earth has Trump got to do with it?
-
@Victor-Meldrew you don't think there is any place for "righting" past wrongs? giving a leg up to those that may be starting from a less fortunate position because of the wrong done to previous generations of their family?
-
I'm out now. We've spent God knows how long collectively lamenting the fact that polarisation is killing debate. You had a perfectly reasonable argument to counter what VM said but you had to go and ruin it with "Trump like". Unnecessary.
It's not Trump like, it's a fellow poster's opinion.
-
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@MajorRage said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
In an email obtained by BuzzFeed News, an AWS Trust and Safety team told Parler Chief Policy Officer Amy Peikoff that the calls for violence propagating across the social network violated its terms of service. Amazon said it was unconvinced that the service’s plan to use volunteers to moderate calls for violence and hate speech would be effective.
That's pretty laughable from AWS who've successfully argued against being held liable for content on their platforms. It's either cartel behaviour to shut down a new market entrant, some pretty amazing double standards or sucking up to the new administration. Probably all three.
So let the Ayatollah go nuts. He's not getting the kind of coverage / trouble that 88M followers gets you.
Unregulated, unaccountable, inconsistent censorship based on follower numbers and market share? What could possibly go wrong?
Well, if they want to suck up to Biden, best to sack all white men. He's made it perfectly clear that he's priorities are non-whites and woman.
And the US now has a Vice President who actively campaigns for discrimination against people on the basis of skin colour to be made legal
Positive discrimination is a much more complex argument than simply being boiled down to “racism “.
That’s a typical Trump like baselining of a well debated and researched concept with decades of practical examples to draw on and debate.Do you seriously believe that big research firms, top universities, big tech etc. are denying educated people of colour or women jobs in preference for white men? Or are we fighting for them to gain access to fruit picking, cleaning and waitressing and other entry level menial roles?
-
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
Positive discrimination is a much more complex argument than simply being boiled down to “racism “.
That’s a typical Trump like baselining of a well debated and researched concept with decades of practical examples to draw on and debate.It isn't complex, it's very simple: judging people by skin colour is racism. Those advocating "positive" apartheid (for that's what it is) are effectively arguing people of a certain skin colour are, as racial or cultural group, inferior as they can't compete. It's divisive, patronising and insulting - and something Martin Luther King hated for good reason.
It's as stupid an idea as saying black people in Olympic sprinting events should be handicapped to be fair to white sprinters in the interests of equality and diversity.
And what on earth has Trump got to do with it?
Massive overreach on what California was advocating.
Their current laws do not allow ANYONE to take race, sex, orientation, age etc into account (zero affirmative action ability in any situation). They were proposing to allow affirmative actions in certain situations.
This is exactly what NZ has under the Human Rights Act and Bill of Rights. Prescribed reasoning and guidelines for appropriateness and application with burden of proof on those performing the action.Trump has nothing to do with it except as an example of simplifying an argument to a base element to claim 'correctness'. It is a common political tactic of his.
@JC said in US Politics:
I'm out now. We've spent God knows how long collectively lamenting the fact that polarisation is killing debate. You had a perfectly reasonable argument to counter what VM said but you had to go and ruin it with "Trump like". Unnecessary.
It's not Trump like, it's a fellow poster's opinion.
And it can't be both? Considering that Trump is the current rather big example of creating that line of thinking and that this is a US Politics thread where he is by far the main topic of conversation I don't think that juxtaposing the two are out of line at all.
US Politics