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@Godder said in US Politics:
@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
what I find interesting, and I've done a little googling but not definitive
people seem to be saying Trump will pardon 150 odd people plus maybe 100 he had already pardoned up until the end of the last year which I thought was a lot, until looking into it
Obama pardoned 1927, Bush 200, Clinton 459, Bush snr 77, Reagan 406, Carter 566, Nixon 926, Johnson 1187...etc
so at 250ish...hes on the low end
Probably worth noting that most of those numbers include commutations, not just pardons. The Wikipedia article for Obama's acts of executive clemency says 1715 were commutations and the other 212 were pardons.
good to know, i found the numbers in an article (they probably got them from wiki) and they mst have just bundled them all together, any idea how many commutation Trump passed?
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@Kiwiwomble You can check them out yourself if you want:
One thing that I found quite shocking was the number of old men on the list who were imprisoned for unconscionably long terms for non-violent marijuana related offences. There are guys on the list who have served 2 or 3 decades of a life sentence for handling something that is now legal in many parts of the US. I have no problem with a grant of clemency for something like that, but I'm amazed it has needed the President to step in to right something that seems to me to be obviously wrong.
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@JC said in US Politics:
@Kiwiwomble You can check them out yourself if you want:
One thing that I found quite shocking was the number of old men on the list who were imprisoned for unconscionably long terms for non-violent marijuana related offences. There are guys on the list who have served 2 or 3 decades of a life sentence for handling something that is now legal in many parts of the US. I have no problem with a grant of clemency for something like that, but I'm amazed it has needed the President to step in to right something that seems to me to be obviously wrong.
Stupidity in legal systems is widespread. I read an article yesterday about a woman in France who was declared dead by the courts during some endless complicated legal issues and now struggles to do anything including prove she is alive because she is officially dead.
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@Crucial True, but I wonder off the politicised nature of the US justice system with its political appointments and elected law enforcement officials is particularly prone to never admitting to its mistakes. For justice to be just it has to be dispassionate, and I'm not sure you can achieve that when some of the lawyers and judges involved want to use the outcomes as ads for their own political brand.
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@Tim To me the source matters, because you don't know whether something is genuine and real when sources like disclose tv post it, because they're known for their propaganda.
After looking at more credible/objective news sources, I've seen that they're reporting on protests where a group of people damaged the Democratic Party HQ building in Portland and, apparently, some other property, in Seattle.
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@Stargazer id say a decent % of this thread has some reference to the source of something posted, MSM etc
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@Kiwiwomble feels like he's gonna cop shit either way. Delays to be more (genuinely?) inclusive, or push ahead with a plan that only one group favours (with likely disagreement internally) and that flies in the face of working with the Reps.
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@Paekakboyz maybe he thinks if they try and just push through they'll just end up with Rep pushback which will delay things anyway
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@Stargazer said in US Politics:
@Tim To me the source matters, because you don't know whether something is genuine and real when sources like disclose tv post it, because they're known for their propaganda
And therein lies the problem. If the last four years tells us anything, it's that the media will make stuff up, fake videos or, in the case of Hunter Biden, simply not report stuff which damages their agenda or the politicians they support.
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@Victor-Meldrew has the actual 'truth' about Hunter Biden come out? that laptop stuff got pretty bloody murky and iffy given Guliani was 100% it was a smoking gun. At least in terms of his allegedly illegal behaviour, where the general grubiness of his lifestyle was pretty easy to pick up.
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@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew has the actual 'truth' about Hunter Biden come out? that laptop stuff got pretty bloody murky and iffy given Guliani was 100% it was a smoking gun. At least in terms of his allegedly illegal behaviour, where the general grubiness of his lifestyle was pretty easy to pick up.
It isn't the story - it was the way it was shut down by the MSM as soon as Joe Biden called it "Russian Propaganda". Some claimed they weren't going to cover it as the information was obtained illegally and was found on "stolen property".
Can't imagine that happening if it was Don Jr or, to be even-handed, Slick Willie's brother.
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@Victor-Meldrew if what biden jnr did wasn't a story...is there any chance the MSM didn't cover it because it wasn't a story?
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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew if what biden jnr did wasn't a story...is there any chance the MSM didn't cover it because it wasn't a story?
Not to mention the FBI during a hostile Republican presidency who had an interest in hanging him up
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