Defending your home
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I hope the wardrobe is nearby and easily accessible Nick?<br><br>I have a fuck-off big Maglite under my bed, just in case the power ever goes down...
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Shovel TR. You have a shovel.
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<p>I hope the wardrobe is nearby and easily accessible Nick?</p>
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<p>Its our walk-in robe, about five steps away. Three if I'm bricking it ;)</p> -
<p>If you're someone who's wreaked revenge on a home invader then you want me on your jury.</p>
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<p>I'm quite likely not to follow the direction of the judge - since I've seen enough crap decisions from them. Knowing the law and having common sense don't necessarily go hand in hand.</p>
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<p>Fuck 'em. You turn up in someone's house, you're asking for whatever happens to you.</p>
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<p>If you're someone who's wreaked revenge on a home invader then you want me on your jury.</p>
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<p>I'm quite likely not to follow the direction of the judge - since I've seen enough crap decisions from them. Knowing the law and having common sense don't necessarily go hand in hand.</p>
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<p>Fuck 'em. You turn up in someone's house, you're asking for whatever happens to you.</p>
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<p>If I managed to get a burglar cable tied and subdued I'd call the cops [but not let him know] drag him down to the garage lay him on a polythene sheet and put on disposable overalls and get out a few of my favourite chainsaws and spend a while trying to pick one out while discussing it with him at the same time "which one do you like? ................this ones a homelite xl12 same as they used in texas chainsaw massacre.............but I think my pro mac 700 has the sharpest chain at the moment ............ " by the time the cops got there to take him away I'm sure his mental state would have changed irrecoverably without me needing to go to jail.</p>
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<p>Btw one of the guys I work with caught a burglar in his basement and knocked him out cold with a couple of blows with a pool cue, he didn't get charged with anything but the judge told the burglar he could pay for the damage by working for him for a couple of weeks for free as the burglar was jobless and would take for ever to pay it off at $10 a week. Noel was a prick to work with at the best of times, it must have really sucked working for the old bastard for free and overhearing him telling everyone why you were there and hearing them crack up at your expense, nice work there from the judge.</p> -
Good chance they will plead it down to a lesser charge. Police often charge someone with a higher charge to give themselves some bargaining power. <br><br>
At the end of the day if you decide to go hands on with somebody you better make sure you don't inflict grievous bodily harm or death unless you can show you were in fear of grievous bodily harm or death yourself. And as somebody said earlier, as soon as the threat is gone you have to stop or reduce your level of force. -
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<p>Good chance they will plead it down to a lesser charge. Police often charge someone with a higher charge to give themselves some bargaining power.<br><br>
At the end of the day if you decide to go hands on with somebody you better make sure you don't inflict grievous bodily harm or death unless you can show you were in fear of grievous bodily harm or death yourself. And as somebody said earlier, as soon as the threat is gone you have to stop or reduce your level of force.</p>
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<p>Without going into specifics have you ver been involved in a case like this? Not the murder charge, a homeowner defending themselves.</p> -
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<p>If I managed to get a burglar cable tied and subdued I'd call the cops [but not let him know] drag him down to the garage lay him on a polythene sheet and put on disposable overalls and get out a few of my favourite chainsaws and spend a while trying to pick one out while discussing it with him at the same time "which one do you like? ................this ones a homelite xl12 same as they used in texas chainsaw massacre.............but I think my pro mac 700 has the sharpest chain at the moment ............ " by the time the cops got there to take him away I'm sure his mental state would have changed irrecoverably without me needing to go to jail.</p>
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<p>Btw one of the guys I work with caught a burglar in his basement and knocked him out cold with a couple of blows with a pool cue, he didn't get charged with anything but the judge told the burglar he could pay for the damage by working for him for a couple of weeks for free as the burglar was jobless and would take for ever to pay it off at $10 a week. Noel was a prick to work with at the best of times, it must have really sucked working for the old bastard for free and overhearing him telling everyone why you were there and hearing them crack up at your expense, nice work there from the judge.</p>
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<p>Did the old bugger warm to him, learn to respect his culture and leave him a Gran Torino in his will ?</p> -
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Without going into specifics have you ver been involved in a case like this? Not the murder charge, a homeowner defending themselves.</p></blockquote>
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I have in the role of first response but not as the investigator. That is done by the 'Can't I'm Busy (CIB) lot once we have made the scene safe for them. We can't have them getting a fright and spilling their coffee over their new shirt. <br><br>
Someone mentioned they were advised to let somebody go if they run or attempt to leave. I agree with this. I know of somebody who is facing deprivation of liberty charges merely for blocking a trespasser's car with their own to prevent them from leaving after having called police. The law is an arse sometimes, don't put yourself at it's mercy. -
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<p>The law is an arse sometimes, don't put yourself at it's mercy.</p>
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<p>Yep - you don't have to go far to find demonstrably poor legislation. Not surprising given some of the clueless arses that are elected to Parliament.</p> -
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<p>Did the old bugger warm to him, learn to respect his culture and leave him a Gran Torino in his will ?</p>
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<p>None of that happened , he's still alive and still a grumpy old bastard.</p> -
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<p>I hope the wardrobe is nearby and easily accessible Nick?<br><br>
I have a fuck-off big Maglite under my bed, just in case the power ever goes down...</p>
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I have a shotgun in a locked safe in the wardrobe. Not sure how slick I'd be fumbling in the dark with the keys though. Probably better off throwing the entire safe at the bastard.</p> -
<p>I was told by a cop ages ago if you are going to hit an intruder it needs to be with something you could have conceivably just grabbed on instinct. If you had to go looking specifically for it thats bad. IE you are in bed, you hear something in the lounge, you go to the shed, get an axe, go to the longe & twat a burglar. That will go very badly for you. He favoured a bottle of Jack Daniels as it had a good grip, excellent weight, would break & get more stabby & who doesn't, conceivably, have a bottle of Jack on their bedside table?</p>
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<p>Maglite is a good one too, they are heavy as fuck. Or a huge dildo. </p> -
<p>A cop here in Thailand told me if the gate is locked and they break it or jump the fence then it's pretty much open slather and you can "protect" to your heart's content, but try not to kill them. I pushed him further about shooting the intruder "sure but aim for the leg or balls if you can. We've got too much work to do if you kill them"</p>
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<p>There'll be some truth to it, as things are still a bit less evolved and the old "you shouldn't have been there in the first place" still has a priority. But then again the whole system is shockingly corrupt and money trumps everything. It's not uncommon for Politicians, Deputy PM's kids to literally get away with murder.</p>
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<p>Not so common now but certainly in my time here, when a meth head or psycho would take a baby or kid hostage the cops were unable (unwilling) to stop the gathering mob, once the baby was safe, from kicking the guy to death.</p>
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<p>As with so many things in life when comparing east and west, neither is perfect, yet there is an unobtainable utopia lying in between (perhaps the pragmatism of the east mixed with the human rights and considerations of the west)</p>
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<p>As an aside, <em>every</em> physical fight in Asia should be deemed a fight to the death, 'cause that's what one of them is thinking for sure</p> -
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<p>I was told by a cop ages ago if you are going to hit an intruder it needs to be with something you could have conceivably just grabbed on instinct. If you had to go looking specifically for it thats bad. IE you are in bed, you hear something in the lounge, you go to the shed, get an axe, go to the longe & twat a burglar. That will go very badly for you. He favoured a bottle of Jack Daniels as it had a good grip, excellent weight, would break & get more stabby & who doesn't, conceivably, have a bottle of Jack on their bedside table?</p>
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<p>Maglite is a good one too, they are heavy as fuck. <strong>Or a huge dildo</strong>. </p>
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<p>If you hit him with that he'll really be fucked</p> -
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<p>I'll hop right in here and say I think Oscar Pretorius could add some legs to this discussion about what you can do and can't do.</p>
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<p>Perhaps if he'd beaten Reeva to death with a dildo he'd have gotten off</p> -
Gotten off? He's some sick bastard if that's what it takes.
