Coronavirus - Overall
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean can't see them making their emissions targets this year either.....
Appropriate.
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@antipodean that's so fucking average
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Poor article. Poor selection of concerns. Most common myths is a slur on questions. Questions are not myths.
Here are some of the most common "myths" free thinking people are yet to get decent answers for:
Why should children take a vaccine?
Which ages of children and babies?
Should pregnant women take vaccines?
If I've had covid and obviously recovered why take a vaccine?
You say it stops infection then why do world leaders including Biden, insist on masks and social distancing between those who have been vaccinated.Here you clearly state an argument for no more masks:
Claim 5: The only reason given to take the vaccine is that it might reduce symptomsThe Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine prevents death, severe disease, mild disease, and asymptomatic infection in most people who receive it. Taking the vaccine protects not only you, but also those around you and the general community. Claiming that the only reason to take it is that it might reduce symptoms is completely misleading. The Pfizer vaccine is highly effective in preventing Covid-19 and the spread of infection. The higher the proportion of people vaccinated, the faster we can get back to normality.
Claim 6: The vaccine has not been shown to stop you catching SARS-CoV-2 or passing it on to others
The vaccine has been shown to prevent you from catching SARS CoV-2 and passing it on. Claiming that it has not is false. Data from countries that have achieved high coverage are able to report the effects such as Israel and the UK.
Just more cookie cutter arse covering from authorities who over reacted before data and now are too arrogant to walk back their hysteria
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@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
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If I've had covid and obviously recovered why take a vaccine?
You say it stops infection then why do world leaders including Biden, insist on masks and social distancing between those who have been vaccinated....
My opinions;
I work with a guy that had Covid, and recently got the two vaccine shots. The advice he received was having Covid didn't mean he couldn't get it again. Evidence has shown that after the vaccine you get a more milder dose of the illness (seen scans of the lung damage of vaccinated and a normal sufferer).
We may also end up with yearly shots, similar to the flu to cover the worst strains. That's also why it's important to get to herd immunity quickly to strangle the disease before we get too many variations.
I'd imagine that mask wearing will move to the Asian model of wearing one if you feel sick, to help prevent spreading germs. I think this is a good thing to adopt. Look at the current stats of the normal flu. These sorts of behavior changes are becoming more important as the world population (and city densities) increase. Going to be more of this sort of illnesses.
That said, if we get to 80% vaccinated and we are still having draconian measures like lockdowns and closed borders, you'd have to wonder why. That will be the litmus test form me. Governments don't usually roll back power grabs, be interesting to see what the landscape is like in 2022.
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@kirwan IMHO the government have already tried to loosen off in NZ. There is a loss of appetite for lockdowns now, they seem to be conscious of the public mood, coupled with better contact tracing (perhaps). I would like to think they will progressively loosen up over the next 12 months, especially once the population have been mostly vaccinated
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@canefan yeah I think the large amounts of luck we have had, have shown we can manage this without further lockdowns, but I still think they need to act quicker with releasing contact tracing data, as we have seen it is 2 or 3 days before locations of interest are released, after which time people could have spread it further.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan yeah I think the large amounts of luck we have had, have shown we can manage this without further lockdowns, but I still think they need to act quicker with releasing contact tracing data, as we have seen it is 2 or 3 days before locations of interest are released, after which time people could have spread it further.
Much easier to do that if the infected person is using the covid tracer app as opposed to having to be interviewed and then trying to remember where they have been each day, and at what times.
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@bovidae said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan yeah I think the large amounts of luck we have had, have shown we can manage this without further lockdowns, but I still think they need to act quicker with releasing contact tracing data, as we have seen it is 2 or 3 days before locations of interest are released, after which time people could have spread it further.
Much easier to do that if the infected person is using the covid tracer app as opposed to having to be interviewed and then trying to remember where they have been each day, and at what times.
You beat me to it. Going about my business these days I feel like I am the only person using the app. People have totally let go
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@bovidae but even that lady that toured Northland we were told she was meticulous in her use of it yet it was a couple of days before it was all released.
Yea I don't see many using it either.
I don't see many using it anymore either, but a quick look at the app suggests usage is at about normal 'non Alert Level 2/3' rates:
664,002 QR code scans so far today (8.30pm)
24,010 manual entries so far today
1,303,510 with Bluetooth tracing active today (I'm surprised it's that low, given how easy/passive it is to have on). That's out of 2,809,225 "all time app registrations" -
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@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@bovidae but even that lady that toured Northland we were told she was meticulous in her use of it yet it was a couple of days before it was all released.
Yea I don't see many using it either.
I don't see many using it anymore either, but a quick look at the app suggests usage is at about normal 'non Alert Level 2/3' rates:
664,002 QR code scans so far today (8.30pm)
24,010 manual entries so far today
1,303,510 with Bluetooth tracing active today (I'm surprised it's that low, given how easy/passive it is to have on). That's out of 2,809,225 "all time app registrations"Right, so just a bunch of useless fluffybunnies around where I'm at then
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@bovidae but even that lady that toured Northland we were told she was meticulous in her use of it yet it was a couple of days before it was all released.
I agree that the system should be more efficient but logic suggests one method will be quicker getting the info than the other. I also wonder if there is a process that the MoH needs to follow around privacy, i.e., business owners need to be contacted first and steps taken before the public is notified. That should only take hours not days.