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@pakman said in NZ Politics:
Nanaia Mahuta
I saw this a little while ago and thought "How stupid". I've never heard of the fat sheila attempting to play international political games at the adults' table - as unimportant as she is - but I was amused by this accurate aside I read here today about her dimwittery:
"China’s communist regime celebrates Jacinda Ardern’s attempts to drift away from Five Eyes intelligence network – as Beijing heaps praise on the ‘cooperative’ New Zealand leader
It’s just as well that NZ is a completely inconsequential country, or this could be quite serious."
You blokes surely need to elect people into government who have some sort of maturity about them! You won't though.
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@mick-gold-coast-qld said in NZ Politics:
@pakman said in NZ Politics:
Nanaia Mahuta
I saw this a little while ago and thought "How stupid". I've never heard of the fat sheila attempting to play international political games at the adults' table - as unimportant as she is - but I was amused by this accurate aside I read here today about her dimwittery:
*"China’s communist regime celebrates Jacinda Ardern’s attempts to drift away from Five Eyes intelligence network – as Beijing heaps praise on the ‘cooperative’ New Zealand leader
It’s just as well that NZ is a completely inconsequential country, or this could be quite serious."*
You blokes surely need to elect people into government who have some sort of maturity about them! You won't though.
You're pretty hard to read these days Mick.
So just before you get a few new arseholes ripped, you may want to clarify if you're taking the piss or not?
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Interested in how this factors into inflation predictions.
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amazing this gets so little coverage in comparison to what Tiwai was getting given the similar impacts on the communities and the lengths the Govt went to, to keep Rio Tinto in NZ.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
amazing this gets so little coverage in comparison to what Tiwai was getting and the lengths the Govt went to, to keep Rio Tinto in NZ.
It's not so much keeping RT in NZ it's about using/subsidising them to provide work and income in Southland.
Not an ideal situation but IMO it is better to subsidise power and have people in work. Even if it is cost neutral on a purely financial basis the social and long term effects are massive and would eventually land costs somewhere.I am guessing that the Marsden situation also carries the complication that while importing refined fuel will increase import numbers the margin between crude/refined is probably lower than the margin between bauxite/Aluminium.
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@crucial my point is more how the Govt seemed intent on keeping Tiwai open, no matter the cost (which is significant) yet seems very little appetite to do the same for the Refinery, which would be less ongoing cost to the Govt (power subsidies) but similar number of job losses.
The Refinery is or was looking at a massive solar farm as well, but will get better carbon credits by planting some trees in the south island.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@crucial my point is more how the Govt seemed intent on keeping Tiwai open, no matter the cost (which is significant) yet seems very little appetite to do the same for the Refinery, which would be less ongoing cost to the Govt (power subsidies) but similar number of job losses.
Could be because the Refinery is fundamentally uneconomic now - refining has got much cheaper overseas.
Whereas, Tiwai is only uneconomic because of the formula used for transmission charges. Power cost and everything else stacks up.
I don't know by the way - just spitballing!
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@crucial my point is more how the Govt seemed intent on keeping Tiwai open, no matter the cost (which is significant) yet seems very little appetite to do the same for the Refinery, which would be less ongoing cost to the Govt (power subsidies) but similar number of job losses.
The Refinery is or was looking at a massive solar farm as well, but will get better carbon credits by planting some trees in the south island.
I got the point. I have no idea what the govt have or haven't looked at around this but am guessing that other factors than straight job loss would come into it.
The balance of payments argument is one factor. Known or potential new opportunities for work another (eg Port expansion, Rail delevopment).
There will be some longer term impact modelling that will inform the govt on how interested they should be, just as there is work being done to try and spread reliance on RT in Southland so that we aren't at their mercy. -
@mick-gold-coast-qld said in NZ Politics:
@pakman said in NZ Politics:
Nanaia Mahuta
I saw this a little while ago and thought "How stupid". I've never heard of the fat sheila attempting to play international political games at the adults' table - as unimportant as she is - but I was amused by this accurate aside I read here today about her dimwittery:
"China’s communist regime celebrates Jacinda Ardern’s attempts to drift away from Five Eyes intelligence network – as Beijing heaps praise on the ‘cooperative’ New Zealand leader
It’s just as well that NZ is a completely inconsequential country, or this could be quite serious."
You blokes surely need to elect people into government who have some sort of maturity about them! You won't though.
I always wondered if Jacinda donned her Muslim headwear when meeting with the Chinese government?
Oh, only some Muslims huh?
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
Bernard Hickeys take on Labour seemingly about to walk back on infrastructure and health / education spending and pivot to an austerity budget and why in his opinion it is - A BAD THING
Would really like to see a thorough review of the Auckland fuel tax now ...
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Another successful programme bought to you buy the inventors of Kiwibuild
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@canefan dont have an issue with the initiative, problem is, if the GOvt have parameters on what constitutes a healthy lunch, many kids that have grown up eating rubbish, are gonna waste alot.
Miss 12 is a fussy so and so, she has only eaten the fruit and sweet that comes with it.
I know the business owner that won one of the contracts to supply schools, and I applaud what they are trying to do (even before the healthy lunch program) but they need to realise this is gonna be a gradual thing.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@canefan dont have an issue with the initiative, problem is, if the GOvt have parameters on what constitutes a healthy lunch, many kids that have grown up eating rubbish, are gonna waste alot.
Miss 12 is a fussy so and so, she has only eaten the fruit and sweet that comes with it.
I know the business owner that won one of the contracts to supply schools, and I applaud what they are trying to do (even before the healthy lunch program) but they need to realise this is gonna be a gradual thing.
I agree, I have no problem with the sentiment, but they might want to look around and see what other successful programmes are already doing before they storm in
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