Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
They didn't make the final because they choked against India in front of their own fans. That should be the toughest pill to swallow.
I seem to remember at the time that they didn't care. The time wasting was deliberate and they backed themselves to get wins to make up for it.
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Not sure how accurate this article is, did those four Windies quicks really only play SIX tests together ? ( I have vague memories of Colin Croft having an outstanding but short career too ).
Whilst I love what our boys have done I’m not sure they’re at that level.
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@rapido said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I don't know if it was inconsistent or not. But that in itself is a problem. It's very opaque.
Too dry and boring to be reported on, maybe?
It is up to the umpires and match referee to decide whether to 'lay charges' so yes there will be inconsistencies in the human element of application.
However, the umps are in the best position to make that call as they will be fully aware of what is going on out in the middle and whether it was an inevitable situation or deliberate slowness as a tactic or to keep certain bowlers operating.
The funny thing here is the karma. The 90 over minimum was only brought in after whinging by Oz because they didn't like those big mean Windies fast bowlers coming at them all day. -
@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rapido said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I don't know if it was inconsistent or not. But that in itself is a problem. It's very opaque.
Too dry and boring to be reported on, maybe?
It is up to the umpires and match referee to decide whether to 'lay charges' so yes there will be inconsistencies in the human element of application.
However, the umps are in the best position to make that call as they will be fully aware of what is going on out in the middle and whether it was an inevitable situation or deliberate slowness as a tactic or to keep certain bowlers operating.
The funny thing here is the karma. The 90 over minimum was only brought in after whinging by Oz because they didn't like those big mean Windies fast bowlers coming at them all day.I think that is revisionist bollocks.
The ACB and (especially) Packer couldn't get enough of them, kept inviting them back as often as possible.I recall there was a very vocal anti-windian journalist or editor from England who banged the drums on (especially) initimidatory bowling and over rates, but can't remember who it was. I looked up the Wisden editors but don't recognise him in those names.
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Not sure how accurate this article is, did those four Windies quicks really only play SIX tests together ? ( I have vague memories of Colin Croft having an outstanding but short career too ).
Whilst I love what our boys have done I’m not sure they’re at that level.
It probably is.
Roberts was near the end of his career when Marshall came on the scene. And as you point out, Croft was in the mix - as well as a production line of guys who played bit parts - Wayne Daniel, Winston Davis, Patrick Patterson, Sylvester Clarke, etc - any of whom we would have loved to have had.
It's interesting that Chappell picks Roberts as the scariest he face. I wonder if he faced Croffie? Probably in WSC. He was a scary mother - from what I've read, might have been a bit unbalanced. I recall Viv Richards said (after Croft became a pilot) that if he ever heard "This is your captain Croft speaking", he'd get off the plane!
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Same WTC cycle. Seems consistent to me.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Not sure how accurate this article is, did those four Windies quicks really only play SIX tests together ? ( I have vague memories of Colin Croft having an outstanding but short career too ).
Whilst I love what our boys have done I’m not sure they’re at that level.
It probably is.
Roberts was near the end of his career when Marshall came on the scene. And as you point out, Croft was in the mix - as well as a production line of guys who played bit parts - Wayne Daniel, Winston Davis, Patrick Patterson, Sylvester Clarke, etc - any of whom we would have loved to have had.
It's interesting that Chappell picks Roberts as the scariest he face. I wonder if he faced Croffie? Probably in WSC. He was a scary mother - from what I've read, might have been a bit unbalanced. I recall Viv Richards said (after Croft became a pilot) that if he ever heard "This is your captain Croft speaking", he'd get off the plane!
Relatively speaking Roberts had the “worst” record too, averaging 25. Croft, Bishop and Walsh were all under that and Garner, Ambrose and Marshall had the nerve to average even better than our boy Paddles !
I agree about Croft, he looked pretty unhinged. How he didn’t get banned for life for this is beyond me.
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@nta said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@NTA just tagging you here in case you miss it.
Cheers. TBH shocked that Virgil didn't tag me first.
who dis?
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So NZC are taking the Mace on tour later this month.
July 26: Whangarei July 27: Auckland July 28: Tauranga (AM), Hamilton (PM) July 29: New Plymouth (AM), Palmerston North (PM) July 30: Wellington July 31: Christchurch August 1: Dunedin (AM), Invercargill (PM)Also
As many as 22 players represented the Black Caps in their 2019-21 WTC campaign, and will receive a pro rata cut of the $2.27 million prizemoney. Will Somerville, Todd Astle and Jeet Raval were not in England and will receive their winners’ medals retrospectively, White said, and take part in the tour, as will Jacob Duffy, Doug Bracewell and Rachin Ravindra who didn’t play in England and missed the cut for the final 15.
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It’s quite pleasing to realise that apart from Blundell in for Watling as a straight swap we could theoretically field a completely unchanged line up for the first home test.
Whilst I’ll try my best to get excited about a tour from Bangladesh nothing less than a 2-0 hiding of epic proportions will be satisfactory albeit they do have a few very good players
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Not sure how accurate this article is, did those four Windies quicks really only play SIX tests together ? ( I have vague memories of Colin Croft having an outstanding but short career too ).
Whilst I love what our boys have done I’m not sure they’re at that level.
It probably is.
Roberts was near the end of his career when Marshall came on the scene. And as you point out, Croft was in the mix - as well as a production line of guys who played bit parts - Wayne Daniel, Winston Davis, Patrick Patterson, Sylvester Clarke, etc - any of whom we would have loved to have had.
It's interesting that Chappell picks Roberts as the scariest he face. I wonder if he faced Croffie? Probably in WSC. He was a scary mother - from what I've read, might have been a bit unbalanced. I recall Viv Richards said (after Croft became a pilot) that if he ever heard "This is your captain Croft speaking", he'd get off the plane!
Relatively speaking Roberts had the “worst” record too, averaging 25. Croft, Bishop and Walsh were all under that and Garner, Ambrose and Marshall had the nerve to average even better than our boy Paddles !
I agree about Croft, he looked pretty unhinged. How he didn’t get banned for life for this is beyond me.
I always thought Goodall had a very punchabke face. And dear I say it, almost Adolph like. I can see why he got under the skin of the Windies.
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@crazy-horse said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Not sure how accurate this article is, did those four Windies quicks really only play SIX tests together ? ( I have vague memories of Colin Croft having an outstanding but short career too ).
Whilst I love what our boys have done I’m not sure they’re at that level.
It probably is.
Roberts was near the end of his career when Marshall came on the scene. And as you point out, Croft was in the mix - as well as a production line of guys who played bit parts - Wayne Daniel, Winston Davis, Patrick Patterson, Sylvester Clarke, etc - any of whom we would have loved to have had.
It's interesting that Chappell picks Roberts as the scariest he face. I wonder if he faced Croffie? Probably in WSC. He was a scary mother - from what I've read, might have been a bit unbalanced. I recall Viv Richards said (after Croft became a pilot) that if he ever heard "This is your captain Croft speaking", he'd get off the plane!
Relatively speaking Roberts had the “worst” record too, averaging 25. Croft, Bishop and Walsh were all under that and Garner, Ambrose and Marshall had the nerve to average even better than our boy Paddles !
I agree about Croft, he looked pretty unhinged. How he didn’t get banned for life for this is beyond me.
I always thought Goodall had a very punchabke face. And dear I say it, almost Adolph like. I can see why he got under the skin of the Windies.
Just watched again, how good is it hearing Peter Williams ? Like Geoff Bryan it’s pretty cool hearing sports commentators of my youth still going strong today.
Was the umpiring really that bad or was it sour grapes from the Windies ? Given I was three years old at the time it’s fair to say my memory is a bit hazy so any recollections from old ferners would be appreciated.
