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@frank said in US Politics:
So 12 American soldiers + 60 other civilians killed by an ISIS suicide bomber (outside Kabul airport)
Pure hell.
Biden might have to resign.This is Biden's response to the attack.
When in doubt call on 'God'
What an absolute fucking joke
Own up to your massive mistake and fuck off
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Hoover Institution senior fellows Niall Ferguson, H. R. McMaster, and John Cochrane discuss what went wrong in Kabul, the harm done to US prestige, and whether the image of a weakened America at odds with its NATO allies opens the door to Chinese and Russian aggression.
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@antipodean im shocked how much stuff theyve just left behind, saw a video of a black hawk patrolling over kabul, that seems a step up even from ground vehicles...which is bad enough in its own right
this seem closer to what i would have imagined a full retreat rather than supposedly something they've chosen to do and were in control of
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@antipodean good news no? Iran needs to beef up it's war machine so the US has a reason to increase military funding!!
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@paekakboyz Biden playing 4D chess?
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@antipodean more like the military industrial complex segueing to the next opportunity. I give it to Biden for sticking to the August exit, but what an absolute shitshow.
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@paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@antipodean more like the military industrial complex segueing to the next opportunity. I give it to Biden for sticking to the August exit, but what an absolute shitshow.
If everyone knew about the withdrawal deadline why has it been so disorganised?
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@antipodean more like the military industrial complex segueing to the next opportunity. I give it to Biden for sticking to the August exit, but what an absolute shitshow.
If everyone knew about the withdrawal deadline why has it been so disorganised?
It wasn’t disorganised. The Taliban’s planning couldn’t have gone any smoother by the look of things.
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@antipodean more like the military industrial complex segueing to the next opportunity. I give it to Biden for sticking to the August exit, but what an absolute shitshow.
If everyone knew about the withdrawal deadline why has it been so disorganised?
Two factors:
- The incompetence of Biden and his advisors.
- The contempt with which the military holds Biden.
Biden's team would've come up with a plan and the military would've executed it to the letter.
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@canefan that's the 2 trillion dollar question isn't it. It's amazing how far off they were on the Afghan 'army' being able to hold for a period. The prisoner release as part of the US-Taliban agreement wouldn't have helped - I think that included the release of some Taliban leaders.
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@antipodean so Biden's top military leadership is inept and supportive or capable, but willing to stitch the US up about an exit made under the previous administration? It would be very interesting to see how closely the enacted plan resembled what the previous crowd had planned.
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@paekakboyz which aspect? If you're denied the time and resources to do it properly but have to have left by a specific date, that's what you do. It's not the military that decided to leave citizens there without informing them. That's on the administration.
Removal of offensive support and the Afghan army was always going to fall apart. What was Biden's contingency? Clearly he didn't have one.
At his best he (Biden) was an idiot. Add senility to the equation.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
The contempt with which the military holds Biden.
Are you saying the purposely undermined him? Not quite understanding this.
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@frank said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
The contempt with which the military holds Biden.
Are you saying the purposely undermined him? Not quite understanding this.
Wouldn’t be surprised, they did similar things to Trump. Sounds like some generals follow only orders they agree with.
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@frank said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
The contempt with which the military holds Biden.
Are you saying the purposely undermined him? Not quite understanding this.
More like malicious compliance I suspect.
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@jc said in US Politics:
@frank said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
The contempt with which the military holds Biden.
Are you saying the purposely undermined him? Not quite understanding this.
More like malicious compliance I suspect.
A variation on that would be whether they can influence the stubborn mind of an increasingly mentally aged President. Possibly a bit of both.
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@frank said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
The contempt with which the military holds Biden.
Are you saying the purposely undermined him? Not quite understanding this.
There's an element of good orders generally called "commander's intent". As part of the proforma we say "verb in order to verb". This permits forces to not do exactly what the first part of the order stipulates ,e.g. "capture that hill", if the situation is different from intelligence, or changes, or a better way presents itself to achieve the second part, e.g. deny the enemy...
So a good working relationship means that the military could understand what Biden wants to achieve and not be told how to do it, just left for themselves to determine that because they know the "what to achieve".
A poor working relationship on the other hand can result in literal translation. Or the advisors in the administration mistaking their lack of knowledge and competence and dictating.
Either way, that's how you can achieve that level of clusterfuck.
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