The State of the Game
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@mikethesnow said in The State of the Game:
Players need to realise that any contact with the head is 9 times out of 10 going to result in a YC at least regardless of intent.
But at other times a player can literally put an opposition player in a headlock as they attempt to keep their knees from touching the ground to create a maul but this is somehow considered a fair tackle. There is no consistency when there is contact to the head.
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@nzzp said in The State of the Game:
@kiwiwomble said in The State of the Game:
you play to the ref/whistle, none of these things are really a surprise
I over-reacted and turned off at the Codie Taylor yellow. Just did my nut that this is now a yellow card - when other head contact just gets ignored. TMO are just so frustrating with that; if they start looking for something, it seems they want to finish with a card of some form.
What got me, was the fact Pearce was extremely reluctant to penalise Ireland for a blatant, deliberate tackle in the air on Jordie (YC at the least by any interpretation). Yet was dying to break out the card for what should be Penalty only (on Taylor).
I really thought Pearce was reffing the two teams completely differently on Saturday. We had Ireland players being allowed to knock the ball out of the halfbacks hands at the ruck and not even get called for offside, taking players out past the ruck, etc, etc - but only AB's getting penalised for those offences.
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@sidbarret said in The State of the Game:
Nah - Sexton bends down gather and drives into Taylor, hitting Taylor on the chest with the shoulder - really isn't anything that Taylor can do in this situation.
This sort of contact is not dangerous, this is not a case of a bad tackle where Taylor was lucky, it's was just two guys on a rugby field trying occupy the same physical area.
The process is fucked up - instead of looking at the incident and making a call on what happened, they choose to look for evidence of foul play. The totality of the video angles shows Sexton's shoulder hitting Taylor's sternum, but one obscure freeze frame makes it look like Taylor's arm/shoulder hits Sexton in the head. It is like arguing the world is flat because that's what it looks like from window - just because evidence of something exists doesn't make it true.
Total lack of context
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@bones see, the thing for me is if any incidental head contact (and I mean any) gets carded, then great - go for it, be really clear, and also penalise people who deliberately lower their heads into contact situations.
You know, protect the head. Tacklers job to stay down, runners job to stay up.
But that's not what we have. We have weird head hits being ignored or carded, depending on whether the TMO gets involved. You have players carrying head first low into contact. It's just so inconsistent, and does my head in.
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@nzzp said in The State of the Game:
You know, protect the head. Tacklers job to stay down, runners job to stay up.
A lot of the local refs were bemused when the seatbelt direction thing came in, particularly for low driving runs or pick n go near the line.
How can you do anything but infringe as the tackler?
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@nta said in The State of the Game:
@nzzp said in The State of the Game:
You know, protect the head. Tacklers job to stay down, runners job to stay up.
A lot of the local refs were bemused when the seatbelt direction thing came in, particularly for low driving runs or pick n go near the line.
How can you do anything but infringe as the tackler?
Law 9.17
A player must not tackle, charge, pull, push or grasp an opponent whose feet are off the ground.So, once you're diving, you can't be tackled.
I mean, the laws are terrible and un-referee-able, but right now we're at a very low ebb in terms of TMO interventions. -
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@rapido said in The State of the Game:
The game is stuffed, I've given up on it. Dont see this a temporary blip in rules or styles. Not much resemblance anymore to what made me love it as a kid.
Haven't watched a match for over a year.
There is no enjoyment in it for me anymore.
I've started down that pathway. Love seeing some live rugby, but the TMO and refereeing lottery just does my nut. I'm not as far down as you, but I never used to miss an AB game, and now I'm turning them off in frustration.
Partly lockdown I suspect, but I don't get the joy I used to from it.
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@bones said in The State of the Game:
We had Ireland players being allowed to knock the ball out of the halfbacks hands at the ruck
this is something I have noticed creep into the game in the last year or so.
Now I am against protecting the gobshites, and the way it was ruled previously was the guy wearing 9 is safe, but anyone else is fair game for slapping the ball from thier hands or being tackled behind a ruck.
As to the TMO, I think they need to revert to the prior directive where they only get involved when asked to by the ref.
Only time they should be able to intervene is filth...let them note the time of dangerous play and send it to the citing commissioner, but only time they speak is when spoken to by the ref or a grub act.
I havent watched the ABs live on this tour so far.
I even flagged 2 Northland games this year, although this is more through us being poorly coached and playing like fluffybunnies.
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@donsteppa said in The State of the Game:
@Rapido @nzzp I can relate. I've started to go from rugby being my favourite sport in winter and cricket my favourite sport in summer... to rugby being what I'll watch if I can't find any cricket on, regardless of the time of year.
This is me 100%
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@rapido said in The State of the Game:
The game is stuffed, I've given up on it. Dont see this a temporary blip in rules or styles. Not much resemblance anymore to what made me love it as a kid.
Haven't watched a match for over a year.
There is no enjoyment in it for me anymore.
Alot of that might be down to your priorites changing as your life does. It certainly is the case for me. When I was flatting we’d never miss a game of Super Rugby, we’d always watch the NZ game, the Aussie game right after and more often than not get up at 3am to watch the Saffa teams play. Talking shit with mates all through these games and having a laugh was obviously a big part of it though.
I did get sky this year but fuck watching a game at 3am, sleep is of much bigger importance to me these days, a replay if I have time and inclination ( and don’t spoil it by reading the fern ) is fine.
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@bones said in The State of the Game:
We had Ireland players being allowed to knock the ball out of the halfbacks hands at the ruck and not even get called for offside,
With the former: they were taking the arm of the halfback, which is a different thing.
But yes, the offside officiating right next to the ruck wasn't very sharp. At one point Aki grabs Perenara's arm as he's passing it off the deck, which is fine - the fact he's a good half a metre offside is not.
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i can get on board with the "its all fucked", i started losing interest when any responsibility for a players safety was taken away from the actual player or their own teammates,
land poorly from a lineout? even though your lifter has let go and left you hanging...the opposition player brushed you while competing for the ball so penalty and maybe a card
you launched yourself into the air above other players, completely unbalanced yourself...but a player who didn't see you touched you...penalty and a card
head contact in a tackle, even though you lead with your head...penalty and a card
plain old out muscled in a scrum, completely out of your control?..we'll penalise you and card you for the next 60 minutes
you know what has kept me interested....every other level other than international, the further you get from international rugby the more i recognise it as the game i love
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@mn5 said in The State of the Game:
@rapido said in The State of the Game:
The game is stuffed, I've given up on it. Dont see this a temporary blip in rules or styles. Not much resemblance anymore to what made me love it as a kid.
Haven't watched a match for over a year.
There is no enjoyment in it for me anymore.
Alot of that might be down to your priorites changing as your life does. It certainly is the case for me. When I was flatting we’d never miss a game of Super Rugby, we’d always watch the NZ game, the Aussie game right after and more often than not get up at 3am to watch the Saffa teams play. Talking shit with mates all through these games and having a laugh was obviously a big part of it though.
I did get sky this year but fuck watching a game at 3am, sleep is of much bigger importance to me these days, a replay if I have time and inclination ( and don’t spoil it by reading the fern ) is fine.
It might be.
But it hasn't affected my following of cricket. Well, test cricket.
And soccer has slightly risen to fill part that void by filling a 1 hour a week sporting void.
These sports still resemble what the sport looked like when I first started watching them, rugby just doesn't. And it has fallen into a cycle of in-game commentary and after game pundit and fans super-cycles of negativity.
(I confess, actually I did keep watching Grassroots rugby show and/or the half hour college rugby show.
Maybe there is hope, maybe if less over-exposure, less whinging commentary and replays, naive or positive players, teams in traditional kits, playing on grounds suited to their crowd sizes .... then there is an event I see worth watching that won't have me angry. Although even with these I'll still end up rolling my eyes on occasions at outrageous shepherds or passing the ball off the ground, which is probably just my curmudgeoness creeping through as it was better rules in my day etc etc. But I could live with a few annoyances if the whole entire thing wasn't a burning dumpster fire).Where as test cricket. Despite some of the flaws (2 match serieses, no warm-up match) I think has gotten even better than when I was a kid. Big bats I think improves test cricket (but worsens white ball cricket), DRS is a success, umpiring is waaaaaaay batter than back in the day, and now the WTC context just puts the cherry on top. I do not underestimate the ICC's level of incompetencies meaning it could regress again. E.g. WTC could get canned if it interferes too much with Big 3 making even more money. I probably wouldn't hold this opinion though if I was a West Indian.
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@rapido i'll add to my post above, its probably gone unnoticed but i stay off the fern as much as i can during the games and actually just watch, realised i was only noticing and caring about some stuff because someone would bring it up
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@donsteppa said in The State of the Game:
@Rapido @nzzp I can relate. I've started to go from rugby being my favourite sport in winter and cricket my favourite sport in summer... to rugby being what I'll watch if I can't find any cricket on, regardless of the time of year.
I gave up on cricket about 4 years ago. There was just so much of it and a lot started to bore me to tears.
Still watch rugby but less and less. I'll always tune in for the ABs but for other games I might just have it on in the background. There's just too much of the stuff and little of it is special - and that's before the stoppages and general crappiness and ill-thought thru law changes.
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@rapido said in The State of the Game:
I confess, actually I did keep watching Grassroots rugby show and/or the half hour college rugby show.
I've always watched club footy, but I got out and watched club footy and a bit of 1st 15 stuff every weekend this year (when WBHS played up here) really enjoyed it, the guys stepping into Prem rugby is getting younger though.
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Well this thread can go and fuck itself.
This is the fucking Fern. We whine and complain and make grandiose predictions and statements. We claim higher morals, better understanding, and we reserve the right to see our teams go undefeated forever.
But we don't stop watching the fucking game.
Anyone on here talking about giving up on watching the AB's play can give themselves a massive uppercut and should be forced to rewatch the opening 25mins of the Italy game on repeat for 48hrs, Clockwork Orange style.
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@voodoo said in The State of the Game:
Well this thread can go and fuck itself.
This is the fucking Fern. We whine and complain and make grandiose predictions and statements. We claim higher morals, better understanding, and we reserve the right to see our teams go undefeated forever.
i must be reading a different part of the fern
