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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa I don’t know how you can say that. We are the envy of the world.
The gold standard.
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@donsteppa this gold?
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@taniwharugby All right, so turns out we’re the “calf-shit yellow” standard.
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Vaccines won't stop the spread of Omicron.
Masks won't stop the spread of Omicron
Just google "Australia covid cases today". Do the same for recognised highly vaccinated and boosted countries like Israel and Gibraltar.
Performance theatre and checking party guests vax status won't stop the spread of Omicron.
How about we cease haranguing fellow citizens and start haranguing the privileged political class.
The boys on here have begun giving snap shots of the economy and future. More wealth to be transferred paying for Gucci masks.
Britain dissolving mask orders.
When is it time to properly question your leaders?
Israel covid cases today
Gibraltar covid cases today
Click the 6 month filter at the top right of the graphs
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And now apparently if you have a wedding you have to wear masks at all times unless eating and drinking. Even for the wedding photos. Time to tell them to fuck off I reckon.
How retarded are these fluffybunnies making these rules? How can you have a functioning health care system when this idiot (https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/hon-andrew-little) is advised by these spastics (https://www.health.govt.nz/about-ministry/leadership-ministry/executive-leadership-team)?
Govt: We're going to have a mask mandate.
Everyone else: Overwhelming evidence is masks don't work.
Govt: We'll mandate tight fitting surgical masks. Then they'll work.
Everyone else: Have you secured supply? There's a bit of a problem with supply at the moment.
Govt: Wear them while taking wedding photos.
Everyone else five years later: Oh look how happy and pretty you are. This is you isn't it?I'll always remember visiting Santa with the kids in 2021. We had to wear masks. Even for the photo 🤦🤷
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Well, well. They've sneakily changed those paragraphs in the page I linked to earlier.
This morning's version:
This afternoon's version:
Ever get the feeling they are just making shit up as they go along? I'm not sure why we should take anything they say seriously TBH.
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Well, well. They've sneakily changed those paragraphs in the page I linked to earlier.
This morning's version:
This afternoon's version:
Ever get the feeling they are just making shit up as they go along? I'm not sure why we should take anything they say seriously TBH.
Based on recent "plans" - that's a certainty.
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Well, well. They've sneakily changed those paragraphs in the page I linked to earlier.
This morning's version:
This afternoon's version:
Ever get the feeling they are just making shit up as they go along? I'm not sure why we should take anything they say seriously TBH.
That's pretty damning. Clowns
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Question - is Delta still kicking around, or has it died out?
If the first and only type of Corona' was Omicron, I think half of the restrictive stuff govts are doing now would never have happened. Covid has become synonymous with fear aided by a gas-lighting media.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@siam Mate it's you who've been saying it's not about case numbers
Yes, I have. My point is in relation to all the pain in the arse rules and behaviour regulations. The vaccine or behaviour restrictions do not stop or significantly reduce anyone getting the virus. Case number stats prove that. Masked and unmasked region comparisons prove that. Massive numbers of vaccinated getting infected prove that.
Now once you get the virus, then the focus changes to treatment but all the palaver before infection doesn't work. That is a control and fear mechanism, not a significant health measure or strategy.
We all agree you can't stop an airborne virus getting to you, so stop making people believe you can. The battle starts after Omicron is contracted and then the sickness, or not, that follows. As well as the immunity that follows. This all happens at an individual level. Everyone reacts differently once getting the virus. Large scale population rules don't matter or work.
Masked up wedding photos does nothing to halt the spread. Pouring over someone's vax certificate at a party venue entrance does nothing to stop the spread.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank Today is the first day in NZ when reported Omicron cases have outnumbered Delta
Yes, it's very encouraging. Only a week or so ago, Dr John Campbell showed stats of Delta vs Omicron in NZ and it was 70% to 30%, (remember Omicron hadn't really got in yet) and since then it's taken over the more harmful Delta. Just like every pandemic 3rd wave in history. Just like it did in the closest comparison country, Australia.
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@siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Pouring over someone's vax certificate at a party venue entrance does nothing to stop the spread.
Well it kinda does. It inconveniences people into getting vaccinated, and vaccinated people spread the disease less effectively than unvaxxed.
But I think we are seeing a logical fallacy at work in NZ. The PR machine has meant that many people equate vaccination with low or no risk and unvaccination with high risk. Of course that’s not true. For 2 people with identical exposure to the virus the vaccinated person is statistically less likely to transmit the virus onwards than an unvaccinated person. But an unvaccinated person who has been by themselves at home in a town with no cases is less of a risk to you than a vaccinated person who went to Sylvia Park yesterday.
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Pouring over someone's vax certificate at a party venue entrance does nothing to stop the spread.
Well it kinda does. It inconveniences people into getting vaccinated, and vaccinated people spread the disease less effectively than unvaxxed.
But I think we are seeing a logical fallacy at work in NZ. The PR machine has meant that many people equate vaccination with low or no risk and unvaccination with high risk. Of course that’s not true. For 2 people with identical exposure to the virus the vaccinated person is statistically less likely to transmit the virus onwards than an unvaccinated person. But an unvaccinated person who has been by themselves at home in a town with no cases is less of a risk to you than a vaccinated person who went to Sylvia Park yesterday.
Just one of so many misconceptions about covid19. Maybe they could have spent less time being kind and more time being factual?
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@canefan Yeah, in hindsight we might have been better off with them just laying out what constitutes a low risk vs high risk scenario, then letting us pick our options while targeting support towards people who don’t exactly have options. But where’s the control in that?
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Pouring over someone's vax certificate at a party venue entrance does nothing to stop the spread.
Well it kinda does. It inconveniences people into getting vaccinated, and vaccinated people spread the disease less effectively than unvaxxed.
But I think we are seeing a logical fallacy at work in NZ. The PR machine has meant that many people equate vaccination with low or no risk and unvaccination with high risk. Of course that’s not true. For 2 people with identical exposure to the virus the vaccinated person is statistically less likely to transmit the virus onwards than an unvaccinated person. But an unvaccinated person who has been by themselves at home in a town with no cases is less of a risk to you than a vaccinated person who went to Sylvia Park yesterday.
I think it's highly negligible as Israel and Gibraltar data shows. The vaccinated spread the disease incredibly effectively. Ditto for Australia, in the last 3 weeks the data looks like what the narrative suggests will happen to unvaccinated only
And by the time you walk through the venue your infection status is completely unknown and it's too late anyway. 100% you're better equipped to deal with it from there if vaxxed.
Also the nature of infection is so random. Countless stories of 1 or 2 people in a household or car getting covid and yet nobody else.
We're heading down the wrong route trying to pin down who has got it and who is passing it on. The entire emphasis must be on individual treatment when an infection occurs. No country or region has been able to curb the spread of Omicron in the last 2 months.
We're told that vaccinations limit the spread, and here we are more vaccinated than ever and more spread than ever (worldwide, NZ and WA time is coming)
It's time to pay some attention to mental health, not just immunological health
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Yeah, in hindsight we might have been better off with them just laying out what constitutes a low risk vs high risk scenario, then letting us pick our options while targeting support towards people who don’t exactly have options. But where’s the control in that?
Letting us think for ourselves? Nah
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