Music - Top 10's!
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@majorrage said in Music - Top 10's!:
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@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
I think Drum solos are the ultimate wank unless they’re pretty brief. I’m far more into cool fills and creative rhythms.
Never sat down in front of a drum kit in my life, but have taken an interest in drumming techniques etc and have learned that what sounds really simple, but perfect for the song and the rest of the band, can actually be complex & extraordinarily difficult to play.
Big difference between drummers who are master technicians and drummers who are musicians.. Steve Gadd, of course, is both.
By far the biggest thing with drumming is feel. Plenty of techy drummers out there judging by youtube but you can do all the shit you want without feel and you will sound programmed.
A drummer that works with their bassist instead of alongside them is the other big attribute. Obviously one of the resons Moon was so good is that he worked with the Ox and the combo of the two together.Rick Beato does a good clip where he analyses a song deemed to have a great rhythm but to his ear it was mechanical. He lines up the track alongside a similar beat played by a good drummer and concludes that the first one has been auto-corrected as it is almost perfect while the 'real' one has slight variations all over with gives it much better feel. It is the second drummer that sounds so much better and surprisingly sounds more on beat.
Thats what Angus Young has always said about Phil Rudd. Chris Slade is the better drummer but Rudd has a much better feel and groove which he prefers to play with.
I don't know much about drumming as Chad Smith seems average (in the real use of the word, not derogatory) to me but is highly rated) and the reverse applies to Jon Otto (Limp Bizkit). I'd also say that Neil Peart seems to make things difficult for the sake of it, not so much because it sounds better.
It’s ironic his name was Phil cos he certainly never played any.
The AC/DC rhythm section do their job but it’s pretty basic stuff to ensure Angus and Brian shine like they do.
Chad Smith is awesome although Frusciante and Flea steal the limelight off him overall.
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@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
Yep. Compare the size of Charlie Watts' drum kit to Neil Peart's. Then ask which drummer was almost always better at supporting the band and making the songs sound so frickin' great? For me it's Charlie Watts every time.
It comes down to what the band wants from the drummer. Watts was like Ringo and even Mason in that they played what was required. I'm a big Peart fan and he reinvented himself numerous times throughout his career.
While speaking about drummers, I'd put Jeff Porcaro up there with anyone. It's no surprise he was so in demand as a session drummer and made the most difficult drum fills and time signatures look so easy.
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@bovidae said in Music - Top 10's!:
While speaking about drummers, I'd put Jeff Porcaro up there with anyone
When I read about drummers, he always seems to get the hat-tip from those in the know. Went way too young.
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@bovidae said in Music - Top 10's!:
While speaking about drummers, I'd put Jeff Porcaro up there with anyone. It's no surprise he was so in demand as a session drummer and made the most difficult drum fills and time signatures look so easy.
Everyone does. Talented and humble.
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@bovidae said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
Yep. Compare the size of Charlie Watts' drum kit to Neil Peart's. Then ask which drummer was almost always better at supporting the band and making the songs sound so frickin' great? For me it's Charlie Watts every time.
It comes down to what the band wants from the drummer. Watts was like Ringo and even Mason in that they played what was required. I'm a big Peart fan and he reinvented himself numerous times throughout his career.
While speaking about drummers, I'd put Jeff Porcaro up there with anyone. It's no surprise he was so in demand as a session drummer and made the most difficult drum fills and time signatures look so easy.
Yeah, no question about Porcaro. Drums are such a key part of Toto's songs.
Keith Richards views on Watts are laid out pretty clearly in his book.
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If we're talking drum and bass player combos, Queen's Roger Taylor (drums) and John Deacon (bass guitar) were both masters of their respective instruments, but absolutely tremendous together and they complemented Dr Brian May and Freddie Mercury really well. Everyone remembers Freddie and Brian, but there were no passengers in Queen.
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@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
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@mn5 Music's subjective. I wouldn't have Genesis, Sabbath DP or Iron Maiden but I wouldn't have Fleetwood Mac, Queen, Stone Roses, Smiths, Jam or Oasis either.
Trying to pick only 10 British bands is ridiculous. Like trying to pick the top 10 AB try's of all time. There might be a couple everyone agrees on but after that it becomes personal preference and also generational. I mention Kirkpatrick against the Lions - your eyes glaze over etc
Yeah, gets way to much into personal taste and perspective for a good portion of a list.
I would say that there are probably 5 undeniables In Beatles, Stones, Who, Led Zep and Queen.
Clash, Pink Floyd, Kinks all with very strong claims.Pink Floyd have sold over 250 million albums.
Awesome effort but I’m not sure how accurate album sales are to be honest. You can google any artist and get a number but take it with a grain of salt.
Especially when you look at some of the faces in the next level down.
Personally, if I wanted to bore myself to death I'd probably put Floyd on. Roger Waters at Hyde Park was only bearable due to the company, copious beer, and a really high, ranting Richard Ashcroft appearing before him.
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@bones said in Music - Top 10's!:
Personally, if I wanted to bore myself to death I'd probably put Floyd on. Roger Waters at Hyde Park was only bearable due to the company, copious beer, and a really high, ranting Richard Ashcroft appearing before him.
I used to think that about Pink Floyd. Not sure what changed my mind - probably being a little less angry in life and wanting something a bit calmer.
I still have a zen place of in the bath, in the dark with dark side of the moon playing. Not done that in a while and have been a bit angry of late. Might be worth a go!
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@godder said in Music - Top 10's!:
If we're talking drum and bass player combos, Queen's Roger Taylor (drums) and John Deacon (bass guitar) were both masters of their respective instruments, but absolutely tremendous together and they complemented Dr Brian May and Freddie Mercury really well. Everyone remembers Freddie and Brian, but there were no passengers in Queen.
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@godder said in Music - Top 10's!:
If we're talking drum and bass player combos, Queen's Roger Taylor (drums) and John Deacon (bass guitar) were both masters of their respective instruments, but absolutely tremendous together and they complemented Dr Brian May and Freddie Mercury really well. Everyone remembers Freddie and Brian, but there were no passengers in Queen.
I’d rate JPJ and Bonzo, Entwistle and Moon and Geezer and Ward way ahead of them but it’s hard to really shine compared to, as you say, Brian and Freddie ( even though Queen aren’t really my thing overall ). I don’t recall them doing anything other than make those two look awesome but I could be wrong.
It’s always tempting to name “such and such” as a top unit just because they’re part of your favourite band.