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@victor-meldrew Carl Lewis' chemist, Armstrong's pharmacologist
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@victor-meldrew Carl Lewis' chemist, Armstrong's pharmacologist
I thought he (Lewis) was cleared after it was shown any stimulants taken were inadvertent.
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@victor-meldrew said in GOAT:
@victor-meldrew Carl Lewis' chemist, Armstrong's pharmacologist
I thought he (Lewis) was cleared after it was shown any stimulants taken were inadvertent.
I don't believe the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) were particularly harsh in those days regarding positive drug tests.
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@kiwimurph said in GOAT:
@victor-meldrew said in GOAT:
@victor-meldrew Carl Lewis' chemist, Armstrong's pharmacologist
I thought he (Lewis) was cleared after it was shown any stimulants taken were inadvertent.
I don't believe the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) were particularly harsh in those days regarding positive drug tests.
According to Wikipedia the tests were checked by the IAAF and found to be OK. But fascinating that what would be a positive test in '88 would be a negative test now. Read here
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@mariner4life said in GOAT:
The GOAT Mt Rushmore of my lifetime is Slater, Jordan, Tiger Woods and Brady.
Slater winning Pipe at basically 50 is fucking ridiculous. Surfing is more a young man's game than nearly anything. And Pipe is the most famous comp in the sport. To win Pipe at his age is hard to comprehend.
Brady stuck up competition leading numbers at 44. Slater won Pipe at 50. The fuck am i doing with my life?
Very US centric of you.
My main sports are included except for two
Rugby. No clear cut GOAT in my time
Cricket. In my lifetime a few to choose from, no one clear.
and then the other big one is Football. Pele and Maradona before my time. No clear cut GOAT in the modern game.
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Lance Armstrong is a brave and interesting selection.
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I've written mine out a few times, and it's just far far too US heavy for my liking. I barely watch US sport these days, so it's rather odd.
Anyway my list is those who either played at the very top for so long, or those at their peak who were/are simply so far ahead of the opposition, it's not funny. I have nobody in my list who I've not seen play so the likes of Bradman, Ali etc aren't in it, even though I know they belong.
Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Serena Williams, Conor McGregor, Michael Phelps, Cristiano Ronaldo, Lance Armstrong (I know, I know ...), Michael Johnson, Usain Bol
And I'm stuck on my 10th. I'm not sure racing drivers are athletes or not, but the records of Hamilton, Schumacher, Loeb, Rossi all stick out as GOAT's. On more NZ centric sports Richie is a nomination, but he was much more a team player / captain than one who truly shone that far above as an athlete. Considered Warne / Muralitharn as well but I'm just not convinced they should be in there. Phil Taylor belongs in many a list yes, but not of athletes ....
Gonna have to keep thinking.
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For motorsort, I'd have to include Valentino Rossi as no.1
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@kiwimurph said in GOAT:
@victor-meldrew said in GOAT:
@victor-meldrew Carl Lewis' chemist, Armstrong's pharmacologist
I thought he (Lewis) was cleared after it was shown any stimulants taken were inadvertent.
I don't believe the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) were particularly harsh in those days regarding positive drug tests.
There was and is a lot of suspicion about the Santa Monica Track Club and their use of hGH.
As to a list, it is hard to compare individual vs team sportspeople, and often lists are clouded by sports you follow.
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I think in my lifetime Mike Tyson was probably the individual so far ahead of his competition.
Wait, no, Usain Bolt.
Well, technically Muhammed Ali was still fighting when I was a youngster, but I never saw or knew of it.
Tyson had a massive fear factor and beat loads of guys before the bell even rung and obviously winning the title at TWENTY years old is fucken unbelievable but he declined pretty quick with the lifestyle, prison term etc. I also read a brilliant article saying that there are/were six fighters who would have beaten Tyson if they fought at their respective bests. I can’t find it but they were Sonny Liston, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Larry Holmes and Lennox Lewis.
If we’re talking the same era it’s tempting to mention Lewis who only lost twice and avenged both of those defeats. His issue I suppose was his cautious ( compared to Tyson ) style probably didn’t endear him to fans like Tysons ferocious style did.
Boxing is hard to measure, so many variables ( era, who they fought, if they fought in their absolute prime etc )
In saying that and as cliche as it is I have to go with Ali.
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It's funny how having a really good rival coinciding with total careers then kinda relegates you in these discussions.
Are Messi and Ronaldo any less than Pele and Maradona?
Trying to pick one of Nadal, Federer, Djokovic.
Tendulkar and Lara. Etc
Etc, etc.
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I'd need a list, but during my lifetime I think there is only one sportsperson who was consistently the best player in the world, transcended their sport in such as way as to make their league a global product, and turned it into an ongoing enterprize in such a way that he is still one of the highest paid sports players ever (nearly 20 years after quitting).
I imagine everyone can name him without clicking the links.
In the 21st century, Brady is my GOATIEST, and I'm not much of football fan (I'm a Cowboys supporter so the last twenty years have sucked).
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I'd need a list, but during my lifetime I think there is only one sportsperson who was consistently the best player in the world, transcended their sport in such as way as to make their league a global product, and turned it into an ongoing enterprize in such a way that he is still one of the highest paid sports players ever (nearly 20 years after quitting).
I imagine everyone can name him without clicking the links.
In the 21st century, Brady is my GOATIEST, and I'm not much of football fan (I'm a Cowboys supporter so the last twenty years have sucked).
I'm going to assume Jordan.
Jordan is a phenom. What he did for the NBA is unreal. A lot of guys owe their enormous wealth to him
Like Tiger in golf.
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@mariner4life said in GOAT:
I'd need a list, but during my lifetime I think there is only one sportsperson who was consistently the best player in the world, transcended their sport in such as way as to make their league a global product, and turned it into an ongoing enterprize in such a way that he is still one of the highest paid sports players ever (nearly 20 years after quitting).
I imagine everyone can name him without clicking the links.
In the 21st century, Brady is my GOATIEST, and I'm not much of football fan (I'm a Cowboys supporter so the last twenty years have sucked).
I'm going to assume Jordan.
Jordan is a phenom. What he did for the NBA is unreal. A lot of guys owe their enormous wealth to him
Like Tiger in golf.
I think I unfairly penalize him for not following through and breaking Nicklaus' record. From 1997 to 2008, he was all of those things, then the fun caught up with him. I loved his win in 2019 too, but I can't put him as the GOAT (he's in the group).
Edit: he'd be on my list for those I've watched in my lifetime.
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@mariner4life said in GOAT:
I'd need a list, but during my lifetime I think there is only one sportsperson who was consistently the best player in the world, transcended their sport in such as way as to make their league a global product, and turned it into an ongoing enterprize in such a way that he is still one of the highest paid sports players ever (nearly 20 years after quitting).
I imagine everyone can name him without clicking the links.
In the 21st century, Brady is my GOATIEST, and I'm not much of football fan (I'm a Cowboys supporter so the last twenty years have sucked).
I'm going to assume Jordan.
Jordan is a phenom. What he did for the NBA is unreal. A lot of guys owe their enormous wealth to him
Like Tiger in golf.
I think I unfairly penalize him for not following through and breaking Nicklaus' record. From 1997 to 2008, he was all of those things, then the fun caught up with him. I loved his win in 2019 too, but I can't put him as the GOAT (he's in the group).
Edit: he'd be on my list for those I've watched in my lifetime.
Sure he didn't pass Jack. But Tiger did as much or more to revolutionise golf as anyone ever. Golfers generally train harder because of Tiger. They make more money because of Tiger. Golf generally used to be very white. Not any more. Now you could argue the game could have become more cosmopolitan on its own. But I think it owes a lot to Tiger
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Surfing thread highjacked. Slater the GOAT of surfing without a doubt. From a shitty shore break of his home turf to still being one of the best at 50. Unbelievable!
