Springboks v All Blacks 2
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@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus I'll have to watch it again but wasn't that Rieko? He should have stayed wide.
That might have been a different one, this was Clarke cutting in whilst Jordan threw it wide to no one.
I intend to rewatch so will look out for that. The one I am thinking of was in the 1st half.
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@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus there were two plays where we created space and Caleb came in off the wing. From what we could see on TV at least he may have been better off staying wide. That’s what the passer looked to be expecting him to do also.
Or he helped create outside space by coming in? Fast wingers will do that and back themselves to go around the outside.
Just poor communication?There was plenty of space all right the ball went right into all that space and into touch
Just a communication issue I think, Jordan should have checked first but it looked like a preplanned move and Jordan just passed expecting Clarke to be on his wing.I'll try and find it and watch again. My query is how that space was created in the first place. If Clarke had dragged his marker in then maybe Jordan hadn't realised that.
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I know Clarke is copping some crap for his missed tackle but it was technically a good tackle that he appeared to just slip out of. Maybe he should have gone higher or lower, but I think 9/10 on players that tackle sticks.
I'm more annoyed with Sam Whitelock's silly pass in the 22 than with that missed tackle.
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@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I know Clarke is copping some crap for his missed tackle but it was technically a good tackle that he appeared to just slip out of. Maybe he should have gone higher or lower, but I think 9/10 on players that tackle sticks.
I'm more annoyed with Sam Whitelock's silly pass in the 22 than with that missed tackle.
I know what you mean. Watching the replay, it was like "shit, how did he fall off that, he did everything right!".
As an aside, how good was JBs tackle on PSDT? Lined him up, picked his moment, then the low acceleration into his legs to take him with pace and avoid any fend attempt. Fucken loved it
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@voodoo said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I know Clarke is copping some crap for his missed tackle but it was technically a good tackle that he appeared to just slip out of. Maybe he should have gone higher or lower, but I think 9/10 on players that tackle sticks.
I'm more annoyed with Sam Whitelock's silly pass in the 22 than with that missed tackle.
I know what you mean. Watching the replay, it was like "shit, how did he fall off that, he did everything right!".
As an aside, how good was JBs tackle on PSDT? Lined him up, picked his moment, then the low acceleration into his legs to take him with pace and avoid any fend attempt. Fucken loved it
I can remember it happening to myself when you do everything right at the beginning but then dont follow through with 100 percent commitment until its complete ,
I reckon thats what it was , he relaxed a spilt second early , his facial expression says it all , he was angry with himself
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@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I know Clarke is copping some crap for his missed tackle but it was technically a good tackle that he appeared to just slip out of. Maybe he should have gone higher or lower, but I think 9/10 on players that tackle sticks.
I'm more annoyed with Sam Whitelock's silly pass in the 22 than with that missed tackle.
if it was a technically good tackle why did he badly fall off and let the try in ? because it wasn't technically that good.
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@Chris said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I know Clarke is copping some crap for his missed tackle but it was technically a good tackle that he appeared to just slip out of. Maybe he should have gone higher or lower, but I think 9/10 on players that tackle sticks.
I'm more annoyed with Sam Whitelock's silly pass in the 22 than with that missed tackle.
if it was a technically good tackle why did he badly fall off and let the try in because it wasn't technically that good.
way to completely miss the point
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Chris said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I know Clarke is copping some crap for his missed tackle but it was technically a good tackle that he appeared to just slip out of. Maybe he should have gone higher or lower, but I think 9/10 on players that tackle sticks.
I'm more annoyed with Sam Whitelock's silly pass in the 22 than with that missed tackle.
if it was a technically good tackle why did he badly fall off and let the try in because it wasn't technically that good.
way to completely miss the point
The point is he missed the tackle badly.
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the tone of this thread suddenly is no different to 7 days ago
fuck being an All Black, they are either 100% perfect or fucking shit.
You're a shit coach if you lose. You're a lucky shit coach if you win.
Seriously who would want the fucking job?
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
the tone of this thread suddenly is no different to 7 days ago
fuck being an All Black, they are either 100% perfect or fucking shit.
You're a shit coach if you lose. You're a lucky shit coach if you win.
Seriously who would want the fucking job?
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This thread went downhill quickly.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
the tone of this thread suddenly is no different to 7 days ago
fuck being an All Black, they are either 100% perfect or fucking shit.
You're a shit coach if you lose. You're a lucky shit coach if you win.
Seriously who would want the fucking job?
I have to admit I was too harsh on Jordan and Havs, they both actually had lots of good moments and Cane was very effective in tidying up. A credit to the team for turning up and I can only hope this is a sign of more good things to come.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bovidae hopefully he is able to tidy that stuff up , has the rare ability to beat a first up defender in a one on one and does it often
The way modern defences are its a massive bonus .
I remember when he first broke into the ABs and I was pleasantly surprised with his alround game , particularly defence and ability under the high ball .
So fingers crossed it gets better from here .
His balance is way off. A summer on the ladder, hurdles and cones will work a treat.
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@voodoo said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I know what you mean. Watching the replay, it was like "shit, how did he fall off that, he did everything right!".
Yeah a bit like a technically perfect pass that goes to the opposition eh? 😁
Or a brilliantly executed up and under.... inside your 22.
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@Chris said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I know Clarke is copping some crap for his missed tackle but it was technically a good tackle that he appeared to just slip out of. Maybe he should have gone higher or lower, but I think 9/10 on players that tackle sticks.
I'm more annoyed with Sam Whitelock's silly pass in the 22 than with that missed tackle.
if it was a technically good tackle why did he badly fall off and let the try in ? because it wasn't technically that good.
Am was clever and almost stopped, Clarke slip down with gravity, and Am stepped out.
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Re-watched the game lastnight and still think it was a fantastic performance under tremendous pressure, both the players and coaches.
What stood out for me was;
- Forwards muscled up, played alot more direct and while they didn't "dominate" the Boks they didn't need to, just needed parity to effect a more fluent attacking game.
- Scrum did what it needed to, it creaked and groaned in a couple but overall again, gained enough parity to make it a non-issue
- Lineout - same as scrum, parity
- Breakdown and maul, as above - parity
Defensively what stood out for me was surprisingly the Boks went around us a few times with wide passes as well as quick hands. Rieko Ioane in particular bit in a couple of times but fortunately his pace allowed him to cover.
All in all, an impressive win and much much needed. If we can use this as a starting point, integrate and promote new talent like Newell, RTS along with promoting Taukie'aho etc it's progress.
One thing is the players obviously back Foster, there has been nothing from the camp to suggest otherwise. Changing the coaching now would be a huge disruption so for me, this close to a RWC let Foster continue. Might not be a popular view but IMO the disruption would be too much of a risk.
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Congratulations to you guys for a very good win 👌🏻It was still on with 10 to go but the ABs were just that bit hungrier for it. Thought Ardie SW and Cane all played very well and our lineouts were not jobbing as normal thanks to some excellent steals. Just top notch thievery. No real complaints about reffing overall (unlike Arg v Oz🫣)and both teams gave 100% again but this time our D wasn’t as effective and we missed a lot of tackles. Also missed more last week but it was a different AB psychology this match. Am and Pollard were great I thought but we missed Faf accuracy a bit and Duane and PTSD not back to their best just yet. Really enjoyable test but obviously a bit bleak we faded those last 10-
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@Chris said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Chris said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I know Clarke is copping some crap for his missed tackle but it was technically a good tackle that he appeared to just slip out of. Maybe he should have gone higher or lower, but I think 9/10 on players that tackle sticks.
I'm more annoyed with Sam Whitelock's silly pass in the 22 than with that missed tackle.
if it was a technically good tackle why did he badly fall off and let the try in because it wasn't technically that good.
way to completely miss the point
The point is he missed the tackle badly.
Shit happens TBH. He had him covered, was even a good hit but just slipped off. I remember Tana doing something similar against Boks some years ago against the young Boks 13 Marius Joubert.
At the 10 sec mark.
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@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Forwards were a massive step up. But our scrum was still poor - are the locks not great? Felt like we conceded so many scrum penalties - particulary at the end - and the Bokke just piggypacked over tha tall the way downfield.
Scrum penalties have been a headache for us all year. Not many scrums in the game, but we struggled -- this has to be one of the major workons.
The thing that was awesome was seeing effective cleaners at the ruck. God knows what happened last week - but this week there were players ready to protect the ball, and ball carriers puttin gthe ball back on our side (not tucked into their body).
RM was mixed. Showed some of the qualities he's got, but also some of the downsides (particualrly carrying into big boys in traffic). Anyone see BB's distance at altitude in the kicking too - playing in Joberg is a bit crazy.
Huge result, really impressed. Still think Foster should go, because of the body of work over the last 3 years ... but we could have him to the RWC.
That is too harsh on scrums.
Each side pinged for taking brake foot back before call.
Frans gained penalty when Cane unbound from De Groot and he had to hold full Bok TH side with just Scooter behind him. But also got one back when Frans over expended and flopped. So 1-1. Don’t recall Lomax conceding.
Bower had been good last week against Frans, but twice penalised vs Koch. Once when Koch bored in and Bower drove under him. Many would have given that other way. Next scrum Bower stayed wide and Koch found gap between him and Taylor and surged through. Fair penalty, albeit probably a symptom of earlier ruling.
So 3-1, but arguably ought to have been 2-2.
Boks shaded it.
Agreed. Given we had a new props at Ellis Park..we did pretty well IMO. Against that Bok pack you'd expect 1-2 scrums to creak and groan. Also we still have Ofa, Angus and Laulala as part of the TH rotation so an area where we have some depth. Just need to turn a few of them into world class.
