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  • MN5M Offline
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    replied to Cyclops on last edited by MN5
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    @Cyclops said in Cheating:

    Not really cheating, but controversial enough I think, what are people's thoughts on the mankad? I'm generally pro, and definitely if the bowler has given a warning or two.

    I see Mitchell Starc is suggesting calling it one short if the non striker leaves their crease before the ball leaves the bowlers hand so if the run a single they don't get it, if they run two it's only one etc. I quite like that solution. I think some of the backing up at the death is just taking the piss now so it's either that or mankad everyone.

    We mankaded the fuck out of opposition teams when I played indoor cricket. Perfectly acceptable and within the rule book. If you abolish them you may as well abolish run outs too.

    A fluffybunny of a way to get out sure, but easily avoidable.

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  • CrucialC Offline
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    @Cyclops said in Cheating:

    Not really cheating, but controversial enough I think, what are people's thoughts on the mankad? I'm generally pro, and definitely if the bowler has given a warning or two.

    I see Mitchell Starc is suggesting calling it one short if the non striker leaves their crease before the ball leaves the bowlers hand so if the run a single they don't get it, if they run two it's only one etc. I quite like that solution. I think some of the backing up at the death is just taking the piss now so it's either that or mankad everyone.

    Don't give the umps more to look at and place run calling in their hands.
    I don't see the issue with a Mankad. It is quite clear that if you leave the crease you are open to being run out. No different to a stumping IMO.
    If bowlers want to give the runner and ump a warning that they will do it that is ttally up to them but in the days of challenging calls and not walking, I don't see that Mankad-ing should be a problem at all.
    The only thing I wouldn't like to see is bowlers trying it on to disrupt the flow of a game and the batters concentration. Maybe you only get one attempt at it per batter?

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  • dogmeatD Offline
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    There was a bit of a hoo-hah when India beat England at Lords last month to win the ODI Series on a Mankad.

    This was the distance the non striker was out of her crease when the stumps were broken

    4b299820-2044-49dd-90e0-78d4dc7de71d-image.png

    England fans and pundits got all hot under the collar because it was 'against the spirit of the game' as no warning had been given.

    I tend to agree that this Mankad was a bit beyond the pale as the non-striker wasn't really out of her crease until the bowler was in her delivery stride

    from 6:02

    MCC Issued a statement:

    MCC THIS YEAR ANNOUNCED AMENDMENTS TO THE LAWS OF CRICKET TO MOVE BEING RUN OUT AT THE NON-STRIKER'S END, FROM LAW 41 UNFAIR PLAY, TO LAW 38 RUN OUT.
    
    This change will formally come into effect from 1 October 2022.  This was done to clarify this matter and to place an onus on batters to ensure that they do not leave the crease at the non-striker’s end, prior to a bowler releasing the ball.
    
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  • Victor MeldrewV Offline
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    #19

    Mrs M son and his partner are both elite runners (10k+).

    When watching events on TV they will talk quite casually about which runner is cheating and how they are doing it. Going to training camps for close medical supervision is the favourite apparently, along with periods of injury and recovery.

    According to them, a certain well-known British Marathon champion is well known in athletics circles to be as bent as a dog's hind leg, but is protected by money and lawyers.

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  • MN5M Offline
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    @dogmeat said in Cheating:

    There was a bit of a hoo-hah when India beat England at Lords last month to win the ODI Series on a Mankad.

    This was the distance the non striker was out of her crease when the stumps were broken

    4b299820-2044-49dd-90e0-78d4dc7de71d-image.png

    England fans and pundits got all hot under the collar because it was 'against the spirit of the game' as no warning had been given.

    I tend to agree that this Mankad was a bit beyond the pale as the non-striker wasn't really out of her crease until the bowler was in her delivery stride

    from 6:02

    MCC Issued a statement:

    MCC THIS YEAR ANNOUNCED AMENDMENTS TO THE LAWS OF CRICKET TO MOVE BEING RUN OUT AT THE NON-STRIKER'S END, FROM LAW 41 UNFAIR PLAY, TO LAW 38 RUN OUT.
    
    This change will formally come into effect from 1 October 2022.  This was done to clarify this matter and to place an onus on batters to ensure that they do not leave the crease at the non-striker’s end, prior to a bowler releasing the ball.
    

    Fuck England and their fans.

    What next ? Do you bowl someone out but then call them back to the crease and fix up their shattered stumps because “that was just a warning?”

    Something like this is different though, quite interesting if anyone can be bothered reading.

    I think the English team were right to withdraw their appeal, Australia sure wouldn’t aye @NTA 😉

    Arunabha Sengupta  /  Feb 3, 2014  /  Moments in history

    Tony Greig infamously runs out Alvin Kallicharran at Port of Spain in 1974 - Cricket Country

    Tony Greig infamously runs out Alvin Kallicharran at Port of Spain in 1974 - Cricket Country

    Tony Greig’s run-out of Alvin Kallicharran almost resulted in a riot at Port of Spain.

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  • NTAN Offline
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    @MN5 said in Cheating:

    think the English team were right to withdraw their appeal, Australia sure wouldn’t aye @NTA

    FYB!

    if anyone needs to trigger @MN5 just call him a Brad Haddin fan

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    #22

    @NTA I wonder how Virgil is doing these days

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  • Victor MeldrewV Offline
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    @MN5 said in Cheating:

    I think the English team were right to withdraw their appeal, Australia sure wouldn’t aye @NTA

    TBF to England, they have always struck me as a bit more moral and sporting than most on the cricket field than most. Apart from the "Dirt in my pocket" Atherton era

    I recall Atherton refusing to allow an opposition player to return to bat (injury or replacement or something) when it was considered good sportsmanship to do so. He was absolutely pilloried by the English press for his actions.

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  • DonsteppaD Offline
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    @dogmeat said in Cheating:

    There was a bit of a hoo-hah when India beat England at Lords last month to win the ODI Series on a Mankad.

    This was the distance the non striker was out of her crease when the stumps were broken

    4b299820-2044-49dd-90e0-78d4dc7de71d-image.png

    England fans and pundits got all hot under the collar because it was 'against the spirit of the game' as no warning had been given.

    I tend to agree that this Mankad was a bit beyond the pale as the non-striker wasn't really out of her crease until the bowler was in her delivery stride

    from 6:02

    MCC Issued a statement:

    MCC THIS YEAR ANNOUNCED AMENDMENTS TO THE LAWS OF CRICKET TO MOVE BEING RUN OUT AT THE NON-STRIKER'S END, FROM LAW 41 UNFAIR PLAY, TO LAW 38 RUN OUT.
    
    This change will formally come into effect from 1 October 2022.  This was done to clarify this matter and to place an onus on batters to ensure that they do not leave the crease at the non-striker’s end, prior to a bowler releasing the ball.
    

    There's also this still image of the build up to the dismissal too...

    alt text

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  • MajorRageM Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #25

    I like the warning and then out with run not counting.

    Takes away whatever advantage you got and then can be no room for complaint.

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  • MN5M Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #26

    I just can’t believe it is as big an issue as it is. If you’re out of your crease you’re out.

    Even at the shitty level I played at we were warned to back up but have the bat down right until the ball leaves the bowlers hand.

    I also imparted this wisdom when I coached my boys team a couple of years back. It shouldn’t be hard.

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  • TimT Away
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    Reuters  /  Oct 21, 2022  /  Sports

    Former world number one Halep provisionally suspended for doping

    Former world number one Halep provisionally suspended for doping

    Two-times major winner Simona Halep of Romania has been provisionally suspended after testing positive for the banned blood-booster roxadustat, the International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA) said on Friday.

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